me and @mwotton were just talking about it. if the goal is to fix the beef, then a lot of the meta-conversations we're having do more harm than good. we need a framework that helps *resolve* the beef, not dismisses beef-havers as illogical culture warriorshttps://twitter.com/tangled_zans/status/1220722481755041792 …
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I agree, definitely! I made suggestions about how to resolve the culture war (v1.0) here:https://meaningness.com/completing-countercultures …
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Oh, hmm, sorry, that's actually not the page I had in mind (although it's relevant). I was thinking of this one. (But it would need updating for Culture War 2.0, which I intended to do back in 2013, but didn't get to. Maybe someday!)https://meaningness.com/counterculture-war …
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Particularly this bit toward the end. I suggest it would be helpful for participants to admit that there’s a mixture of substantive conflicts and symbolic ones. Substantive ones actually matter and are often amenable to pragmatic compromises or win-win strategies.pic.twitter.com/ZrOHPcYSJw
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Thank you! Both have been good reading so far. Lots of the ideas overlap with how I see things as well. The key difference that I'm articulating is that rather than rejecting both "sides" and finding a meta-description ('you're not fighting about values but status') 1/
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The way forward is to instead *accept* both views as "valid in their context". youd still need to help them clarify what their *substantative* demands are, but this way you can get them to listen to you
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Ie "humans are wired to fight for status" *may* be true in the strictly biological sense, but it's not the right level of abstraction to think in if you actually want to get them to change (because internally a lot of them dont see things that way)
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The argument here isn't just for the sake of empathy - my stronger claim is that to understand someone well enough to change their mind you need to understand them using their own words. So any external theorizing risks diluting your understanding and is to be used sparingly
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Yes! There’s actually good empirical support for this (some cited in my thing)pic.twitter.com/PRzq4FsE1I
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Oh wow :D
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There’s been a bunch more studies on this since I wrote that. I’m not following the literature closely but I can probably give you some more scattered references if interested
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Yes please! I would be very curious to read them
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