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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jan 4
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      I know zero about Girard. This seems like a plausible and comprehensive dismissal. Would be interested to know what counterarguments there are?https://arcade.stanford.edu/rofl/deceit-desire-and-literature-professor-why-girardians-exist …

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    2. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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      This reads to me like an unsympathetic, straw-manning critique using a motte and bailey (MAB) strategy, accusing defenders of MAB while actually kind of using it oneself.

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    3. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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      One can apply this strategy to anyone, say, Robert Kegan: Critic: people don’t really progress through the stages Kegan describes in anything like that nicely defined order;

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    4. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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      Defender: oh, but Kegan doesn’t really claim that. He acknowledges that the stages can overlap in all kinds of messy ways.

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    5. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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      Critic: but once you really acknowledge that, there really isn’t a coherent theory left, just a bunch of messy observations about different psychological traits people sometimes have.

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    6. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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      For my own part, I don’t accept Girard as anything like a “theory of everything.” But I also don’t think this means “nothing much of value here.”

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    7. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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      I don’t take Girard to mean “humans have no desires of their own, only imitative ones,” but rather something like “the social expression of desires is itself strongly socially mediated.”

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      No one has to tell you to be hungry or thirsty. But when people express desires for dry aged beef or expensive French wines, those desires are formed in large part by social communication around those products, not simply by what their taste buds tell them.

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    9. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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      “Sure, but isn’t that a fairly obvious and commonplace observation?” Yeah, it is.

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    10. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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      But now apply the observation probingly to the workings of the higher education system and the medical system in the United States. I don’t think it’s a stretch to point to Girardian dynamics, far from obvious to many, that strongly contribute to the dysfunction in those fields.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jan 4
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      What would you recommend as a starting point to read? Thanks!

      8:42 PM - 4 Jan 2020
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        2. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 5
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          Since the question was raised of how his perspective relates to evolution, I would recommend starting with one his last works, Evolution and Conversion.https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Conversion-Dialogues-Bloomsbury-Revelations/dp/1350018236 …

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jan 5
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          Thank you!

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