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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jan 4
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    I know zero about Girard. This seems like a plausible and comprehensive dismissal. Would be interested to know what counterarguments there are?https://arcade.stanford.edu/rofl/deceit-desire-and-literature-professor-why-girardians-exist …

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      2. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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        This reads to me like an unsympathetic, straw-manning critique using a motte and bailey (MAB) strategy, accusing defenders of MAB while actually kind of using it oneself.

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      3. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment Jan 4
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        One can apply this strategy to anyone, say, Robert Kegan: Critic: people don’t really progress through the stages Kegan describes in anything like that nicely defined order;

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      2. Alex Danco‏ @Alex_Danco Jan 4
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        Criticism of Girard is a bit like criticism of Freud. His explanations are way out there and often un-falsifiable, sure. But his observations are profound and deeply useful. And they’re what you read him for.

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        Is Freud “right”? No, but you’re smarter for reading him. Same here.

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        @MimeticValue

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      3. Mimetic Contagion‏ @MimeticValue Jan 4
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        @Pseudoplotinus

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        One more thing to note: there are strong evolutionary reasons why we’d have innate desires. If a psychological theory of everything ignores evolution it’s a very bad sign.

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      3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Jan 4
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        Yes that really struck me while reading it too. If it was all mimetic, you’d expect extinction in a generation or two

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      2. Albert Meranda‏ @AlbertMeranda Jan 4
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        This is a pretty unsympathetic view, but whatever. I had a similar take on Girard originally (*ALL* desire is mimetic?! *ALL* violence stems from mimetic desire?!). Then I had kids, and it became self-evident: small children ONLY value things that other people around them value.

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        A random stick on the ground can be imbued with infinite value if it’s held by *somebody else*. There can be fights, tears, even violence. The first instances of a toddler absolutely refusing to back down, all over an object, BECAUSE it’s held by another child.

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