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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. simpolism‏ @simpolism 15 Dec 2019
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      21. The result of the major centralization of written material in the rationalist space, combined with directly associated social channels, is that a set of strong common beliefs can form, a general picture of which I gave above.

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    2. simpolism‏ @simpolism 15 Dec 2019
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      22. This emergence of consensus on the Rationalist sphere is aided by their conversational norms: these spaces prize dispassionate intellectual conversation, as so to permit consideration of diverse topics that may fall outside the realm of social acceptability.

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    3. simpolism‏ @simpolism 15 Dec 2019
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      23. This willingness to avoid consideration of social acceptability has led to attacks on the Rationalist community. Media sources or motivated individuals (/r/sneerclub) love to accuse the discourse of ThoughtCrime. Scott Alexander has written about his suffering as a result.

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    4. earlgreykovsky‏ @dschorno 18 Dec 2019
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      Sneerclub is an interesting space. There is definitely the liberal moral purity aspect to it, but its membership is largely made up of ex-rationalists butting up against the orthodoxy you describe. Typical journey:https://www.reddit.com/r/SneerClub/comments/7gnzdb/is_it_the_people_or_the_philosophy/ …

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    5. simpolism‏ @simpolism 18 Dec 2019
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      This looks a lot like the journey that leads one to being a postrat, but with negation applied to different aspects of the rationalist mentality than the typical postrat. Very interesting, ty.

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    6. simpolism‏ @simpolism 18 Dec 2019
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      simpolism Retweeted simpolism

      It sounds like the author negated the skepticist aspect of the rationalist community, which is usually what postrats double-down on. Their belief in social legitimation is stronger than most rationalists, which makes sense, even just pragmatically.https://twitter.com/simpolism/status/1206346259369484293 …

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      6. Skepticism: rats take a highly skeptical attitude toward knowledge, to such an extent that scientific studies which pass the bar of scrutiny are often (but not always) considered more reliable than knowledge gained from experience.
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    7. simpolism‏ @simpolism 18 Dec 2019
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      An alternative framing is that postrats have doubled down on skepticism by learning to apply it reflexively, such that they doubt their own conclusions on a topic as much if not more than the social consensus. At least, in theory. Whereas this poster just negates it.

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    8. simpolism‏ @simpolism 18 Dec 2019
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      To me, /r/sneerclub reads as a place to wallow in disavowal. The participants are traumatized somehow by the rationalists and then reject it wholesale, rather than attempting a synthesis with their existing worldviews. They double down on social consensus to protect themselves.

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    9. earlgreykovsky‏ @dschorno 18 Dec 2019
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      Kindof like the @Meaningness take on "stage 4.5" postmodernism vs "stage 5" metarationality

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    10. simpolism‏ @simpolism 18 Dec 2019
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      eh, to put it in Meaningness terms, it'd be like peeking at stage 4 and then getting scared and leaping back to stage 3 and trying to forget that stage 4 exists, rather than trying to build forward toward stage 5

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 18 Dec 2019
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      Interesting thread, thank you both!

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