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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Nov 2019
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      @context_ing strongly recommends Liberman’s _More Studies in Ethnomethodology_ as an accessible introduction. My recollection is that it's weak on theory, so maybe it's good if you learn best bottom-up (from examples to theory).

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Nov 2019
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      The chapter on boardgames might be the most compelling one for you specifically.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Nov 2019
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      I'm going to try to reply on-site to the questions about "pushing stability out" and also numerical computation. The difficulty is in writing something less than BCS's book.

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Nov 2019
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      As you observed, the book is one big lump, but the worldview is also one big lump. It's densely internally connected, and each part makes sense in dependence on all the other parts.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Nov 2019
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      And since each part individually contracts the whole of the analytic/cognitivist view, each part is incomprehensible or seems obviously wrong taken on its own.

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Nov 2019
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      That's why there's this "cognitive flip" phenomenon, where you finally see enough of the interconnections between the pieces that the coherence of the whole thing suddenly comes into focus and you can see the world with it, and you are like OOOOOHHHH I GET IT

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    7. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket 11 Nov 2019
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      I think I'm sort of half flipped. Like your blog commenter here: https://meaningness.com/representational-theory-of-mind/comments#comment-1449 … Need to go further and understand this reply of yours. So yeah I need to read some ethnomethodology I think.pic.twitter.com/mnQqiepPCU

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    8. aiju‏ @the_aiju 12 Nov 2019
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      Yeah, I think half-flipped is my position as well. I think my model of the situation is Cognitivism ~ classical physics (electrons are localised) Nature ~ quantum physics (electrons are both distributed and localised) Non-representationism ~ 'there are no electrons' (monism?)

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @the_aiju @drossbucket

      Do you mean this literally or as analogies? Non-cognitivism has nothing to say about electrons

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    10. aiju‏ @the_aiju 12 Nov 2019
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      It's an analogy where electrons ~ representations. (Of course, I'm being slightly uncharitable here.) In my own view representations are prominent, but they are inexact, incomplete and distributed, which I guess may prompt a 'they're not really representation' response...

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Nov 2019
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      Oh, yeah, I think Dreyfus went wrong with a “there are no representations at all” line (and Phil and I followed his lead briefly in ~1986 before recovering in ~1988). “Inexact incomplete & distributed” is roughly “nebulous”… but I would go further and say >

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        1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Nov 2019
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          it’s an incoherent category that unhelpfully lumps a wide variety of phenomena better considered separately because their nature and mechanisms differ. Some of them we’ve got a pretty good understanding of, others little or no understanding, and some probably actually don’t exist

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