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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Michael W Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas 5 Nov 2019
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      I would guess that it's exactly the same phenomenon, but would be interested and open to learning that it's something different. There's a lot of confusion around similar terms meaning different things in these realms.

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 Nov 2019
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      Is there an explicit equation in Theravada of cessations in meditation with the stages of the death and rebirth experiences?

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    3. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 5 Nov 2019
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      FWIW, there are several things in Vajrayana lineages which sound a lot like Therevadan cessation - but I don’t know enough directly to be able to add much to the different/same phenomenology debate There’s also the matter of metaphysics and phenomenology getting muddled.

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    4. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 5 Nov 2019
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      It’s interesting how attitudes towards the in/significance of cessation changed over the development of dzogchen lineages. I’d like to learn more about the history of how the metaphysics/phenomenology developed with different practices...but I suspecct the history isn’t there.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 Nov 2019
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      Is this in the bardo literature, or elsewhere? Pointers? Tx

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    6. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 5 Nov 2019
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      I was thinking of some references in a few namthars and pith instruction texts. I was thinking of mostly this sort of thing:https://twitter.com/misen__/status/1053336842697875457?s=21 …

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      TNR casting shade on cessation fetishists 😅 pic.twitter.com/bsUqcfmMUo
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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Nov 2019
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      Ah! Hmm. This is interesting for the explicit use of the word “cessation”… I’ve read and heard similar warnings in Dzogchen contexts, but I had interpreted them somewhat differently. (It’s probably pointless to try to discuss this on twitter, but…) >

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Nov 2019
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      I had understood the Dzogchen warnings as referring to a (pretty familiar) state you drift into gradually as you lose touch with the world, a sort of anesthetic loss of clarity culminating in something similar to deep sleep without consciousness.

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    9. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 6 Nov 2019
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      Yes, then there is also the not sleepy but not cessation vanishing of sense experience, except you’re just in some sort of formless awareness or what have you There are references to all experience vanishing in some of the tsalung and nyngthig literature, but I dunno.

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    10. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 6 Nov 2019
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      Anyway, even without interpretation & translation error, the most convincing accounts in namthars are so wrapped up in the metaphysics that I don’t know why good it does. I like this story, either way. Now I’m going to go and sit, repent for the sin of being gobby on twitter 😅pic.twitter.com/18TG13Pqv0

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Nov 2019
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      Thanks! Yeah, I have no idea what to make of that. We have reached The Stage of Exhaustion of Metaphysical Concepts Into the Ultimate Confusion :)

      10:06 AM - 6 Nov 2019
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        1. Michael W Taft‏ @OortCloudAtlas 6 Nov 2019
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          All fascinating.

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