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Replying to @OortCloudAtlas
I really enjoyed it. So straightforward, no metaphysics, no unnecessary complexity.
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Replying to @Meaningness
So glad. Yeah, the whole point is practicality and simplicity of use. Empirically based.
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Replying to @OortCloudAtlas
Looking forward to your discussion of cessations with Daniel. As I mentioned when we talked about this in person, this is not part of the meditation systems I’ve practiced. However, it’s a covered in detail in the bardo teachings. I’m curious whether there’s commonality there.
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Replying to @Meaningness
I would guess that it's exactly the same phenomenon, but would be interested and open to learning that it's something different. There's a lot of confusion around similar terms meaning different things in these realms.
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Replying to @OortCloudAtlas
Is there an explicit equation in Theravada of cessations in meditation with the stages of the death and rebirth experiences?
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Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas
FWIW, there are several things in Vajrayana lineages which sound a lot like Therevadan cessation - but I don’t know enough directly to be able to add much to the different/same phenomenology debate There’s also the matter of metaphysics and phenomenology getting muddled.
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It’s interesting how attitudes towards the in/significance of cessation changed over the development of dzogchen lineages. I’d like to learn more about the history of how the metaphysics/phenomenology developed with different practices...but I suspecct the history isn’t there.
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Replying to @misen__ @OortCloudAtlas
Is this in the bardo literature, or elsewhere? Pointers? Tx
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Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas
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I was thinking of some references in a few namthars and pith instruction texts. I was thinking of mostly this sort of thing:https://twitter.com/misen__/status/1053336842697875457?s=21 …
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Ah! Hmm. This is interesting for the explicit use of the word “cessation”… I’ve read and heard similar warnings in Dzogchen contexts, but I had interpreted them somewhat differently. (It’s probably pointless to try to discuss this on twitter, but…) >
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I had understood the Dzogchen warnings as referring to a (pretty familiar) state you drift into gradually as you lose touch with the world, a sort of anesthetic loss of clarity culminating in something similar to deep sleep without consciousness.
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Replying to @Meaningness @misen__
“Subtle dullness” at its worst, in the TMI way of taking.
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