But in this post... > "So ideally someone would invent a ngöndro that efficiently induces emptiness, is well-suited to contemporary people, and is in the style of contemporary Buddhist tantra." ...the colorful tantra, or the ultra-simple dzogchen?
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I guess I'm asking a few things here: 1) what school has your practice been in? one of those? both, alternatingly? 2) what is it now? 3) how is your practice similar to / different from your more theoretical studies/priorities?
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& are you writing about tantra here because http://vividness.live is a site about reinventing buddhist tantra, as opposed to dzogchen?
...except it definitely says a bunch of things about dzogchen, and is also definitely framing things in terms of dzogchen perspectives...2 replies 0 retweets 3 likesShow this thread -
Relatedly, I'd be interested in seeing a third column to this chart for dzogchen! I know how to do fill in a few of them, eg the prereq is the "recognition of inseparability of emptiness and form", and the result is "self-liberation"... but what else? https://vividness.live/2013/10/23/sutra-vs-tantra/ …pic.twitter.com/yCJ2CeMI8d
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean
Yes, very good! Dzogchen starts from the end, so the base, path, and goal are formally identical: non-duality. However, one can talk about non-duality as if it had base, path, and goal aspects. As you said: the base is some recognition of the inseparability of emptiness & form…
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Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean
The path is to maintain non-dual awareness; there are extensive supportive methods for this, although basically they are all just “maintain non-dual awareness of whatever arises.” The result is lhündrüp: spontaneous enlightened activity as the efflorenscence of non-duality.
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Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean
The “character of enlightened people” is “undefined”—in the sense of unlimited by any conception. Whereas a tantric master is outrageous, larger than life, magnetic, expressive, a Dzogchen master may tend to inscrutability, subtle humor, and apparent ordinariness.
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Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean
Relevant tale concerning three of the greatest Dzogchen masters of the mid-1800s http://arobuddhism.org/drifter/when-did-you-last-see-a-lama.html …
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I don’t think I’ve heard that one before. I like the version of the hair relic story on that site, was it written by Ngak’chang Rinpoche?
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Question answered. '...as told by Ngak’chang Rinpoche'.
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Yes those were early drafts for what became _wisdom eccentrics_. Highly recommended: http://arobuddhism.org/books/wisdom-eccentrics.html …
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Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean
I enjoyed that book very much - he’s a good story teller.
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Hmm, the link from the http://arobuddhism.org/books/wisdom-eccentrics.html … to "Order direct from Aro Books" is broken... seems it wants to link here https://www.arobooks.org/books2.html David, do you know who to contact about that?
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