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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 28 Oct 2019
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      @Meaningness - while revisiting your ngöndro post, I noticed something I'm confused about... It seems Aro is dzogchen (ie too close, too accessible, too present, etc), and that you were* following the Aro school. *(I think you recently said somewhere you had left... something?)

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    2. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 28 Oct 2019
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      But in this post... > "So ideally someone would invent a ngöndro that efficiently induces emptiness, is well-suited to contemporary people, and is in the style of contemporary Buddhist tantra." ...the colorful tantra, or the ultra-simple dzogchen?

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    3. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 28 Oct 2019
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      I guess I'm asking a few things here: 1) what school has your practice been in? one of those? both, alternatingly? 2) what is it now? 3) how is your practice similar to / different from your more theoretical studies/priorities?

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    4. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 28 Oct 2019
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      & are you writing about tantra here because http://vividness.live  is a site about reinventing buddhist tantra, as opposed to dzogchen? 🤔...except it definitely says a bunch of things about dzogchen, and is also definitely framing things in terms of dzogchen perspectives...

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    5. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 28 Oct 2019
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      Relatedly, I'd be interested in seeing a third column to this chart for dzogchen! I know how to do fill in a few of them, eg the prereq is the "recognition of inseparability of emptiness and form", and the result is "self-liberation"... but what else? https://vividness.live/2013/10/23/sutra-vs-tantra/ …pic.twitter.com/yCJ2CeMI8d

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 Oct 2019
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      Yes, very good! Dzogchen starts from the end, so the base, path, and goal are formally identical: non-duality. However, one can talk about non-duality as if it had base, path, and goal aspects. As you said: the base is some recognition of the inseparability of emptiness & form…

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 Oct 2019
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      The path is to maintain non-dual awareness; there are extensive supportive methods for this, although basically they are all just “maintain non-dual awareness of whatever arises.” The result is lhündrüp: spontaneous enlightened activity as the efflorenscence of non-duality.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 Oct 2019
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      The “character of enlightened people” is “undefined”—in the sense of unlimited by any conception. Whereas a tantric master is outrageous, larger than life, magnetic, expressive, a Dzogchen master may tend to inscrutability, subtle humor, and apparent ordinariness.

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      • made of clay Malcolm ☣️cean - check sense of smell 👃 — 🌎🇨🇦 Oedipa Maas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu9gl2z5AaQ Ian Hines Dan Horton Raymond Timothy #masks4all Roy QC
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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 Oct 2019
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          Relevant tale concerning three of the greatest Dzogchen masters of the mid-1800s http://arobuddhism.org/drifter/when-did-you-last-see-a-lama.html …

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        3. Mi'sen‏ @misen__ 29 Oct 2019
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          I don’t think I’ve heard that one before. I like the version of the hair relic story on that site, was it written by Ngak’chang Rinpoche?

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        1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 Oct 2019
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          On the metaphysics, Dzogchen is the “ultimately” of “ultimately rejects the distinction between absolute and relative.”

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