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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes 27 Oct 2019
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      Well... this does make more sense from a developmental MM POV (ie. personal/cultural dev being similar), but cultural epistemes aside if I look at the MM methods listed in the article we covered in our ep I see many of the techniques in Vajrayana.

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    2. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @LC_Ceriello and

      If we're lucky maybe we could get @Meaningness &/or @_awbery_ to chime in on any connections they see with metamodern/meta-rational sensibilities found in Vajrayana practices & philosophy...

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @LC_Ceriello and

      Sorry I'm out of the loop here; which article was this? I might be able to say something, I don't know... btw I STILL haven't had a chance to listen to your podcast with @ssica3003, but @_awbery_ spoke very highly of it, and I look forward to it!

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    4. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @LC_Ceriello and

      Well we could do a compare on the article I mentioned (linked here) but my thought was that meta-rationality would likely fall under the metamodern label that @GregDember & @LC_Ceriello outline, so even your .02 on Vajra. correlations would be interesting.https://medium.com/what-is-metamodern/after-postmodernism-eleven-metamodern-methods-in-the-arts-767f7b646cae …

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    5. Greg Dember‏ @GregDember 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @Meaningness and

      I don't know a lot about meta-rationality. I'm interested in how it may be a phenomenon of metamodernism. I realize it's probably hard to capture in a tweet, but could you give the nutshell of how you see the connection?

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @GregDember @JaredJanes and

      I take metamodernism to be the cultural aspect of meta-systematicity, and meta-rationality to be the cognitive aspect. This usage may not be standard, but we are inventing this stuff as we go along! https://meaningness.com/eggplant/terms pic.twitter.com/8SP9eFlXiG

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    7. Linda C. Ceriello‏ @LC_Ceriello 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @GregDember and

      I guess I would say, invent away! But can someone explain one thing: Why call these things "metamodern" when y'all already have perfectly good terms for the things you're describing--terms that are not already in use and doing work in critical/cultural theory capacities?

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @LC_Ceriello @GregDember and

      I sympathize—It’s worrying and frustrating when a term one invents gets appropriated and used for somewhat different things by some larger group that you don’t have sway over and who may not understand the original meaning.

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    9. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @LC_Ceriello and

      I find great personal, systemic & cultural value/overlap from all these lenses. My intention here is to get our disparate 'meta' camps to engage more with each other in the name of generative exploration. Throwing some more nebulosity into mix I suppose.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @LC_Ceriello and

      There does seem to me to be significant resonances and overlaps and that mutual awareness should be helpful!

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JaredJanes and

      Re “why bring in dev psych”: because of the explicit and apparently valuable correspondence between the stages of personal development and the historical development from tradition to modernity to postmodernity to metamodernity.

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        2. Linda C. Ceriello‏ @LC_Ceriello 27 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @JaredJanes and

          Yeah, to me that correspondence is a stretch. For instance, what do you do w the fact that there are plenty of "trad'l people" (or modern, or pomo...) out there in this MM moment, and all these "stages" will continue to be present long after MM is replaced by the next episteme?

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @LC_Ceriello @JaredJanes and

          Well, that’s explicit in the explanations of people who make this correspondence (e.g. Robert Kegan). Only some people in a society are fully able to adopt the later, more difficult epistemes, which develop at an intellectual cutting edge.

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        2. WiseAndShine‏ @ShapesOfEmpathy 27 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @JaredJanes and

          Whenever people compare stages of personal development with stages of cultural development, my inner skeptic stands up. Look at Zhuangzi for a great example of a postmodern thinker thousands of years before his 'time'.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @ShapesOfEmpathy @JaredJanes and

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          Replying to @cognazor @dfarrrr and 7 others
          I think that's right... similarly you can find creators with a postmodern sensibility long before it was a movement. Tristram Shandy comes to mind. And some Roman authors seem startlingly modern, 1500 years before modernity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Life_and_Opinions_of_Tristram_Shandy,_Gentleman …
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