Well... this does make more sense from a developmental MM POV (ie. personal/cultural dev being similar), but cultural epistemes aside if I look at the MM methods listed in the article we covered in our ep I see many of the techniques in Vajrayana.
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Replying to @JaredJanes @LC_Ceriello and
If we're lucky maybe we could get
@Meaningness &/or@_awbery_ to chime in on any connections they see with metamodern/meta-rational sensibilities found in Vajrayana practices & philosophy...2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes -
Replying to @JaredJanes @LC_Ceriello and
Sorry I'm out of the loop here; which article was this? I might be able to say something, I don't know... btw I STILL haven't had a chance to listen to your podcast with
@ssica3003, but@_awbery_ spoke very highly of it, and I look forward to it!1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @Meaningness @LC_Ceriello and
Well we could do a compare on the article I mentioned (linked here) but my thought was that meta-rationality would likely fall under the metamodern label that
@GregDember &@LC_Ceriello outline, so even your .02 on Vajra. correlations would be interesting.https://medium.com/what-is-metamodern/after-postmodernism-eleven-metamodern-methods-in-the-arts-767f7b646cae …2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @JaredJanes @Meaningness and
I don't know a lot about meta-rationality. I'm interested in how it may be a phenomenon of metamodernism. I realize it's probably hard to capture in a tweet, but could you give the nutshell of how you see the connection?
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Replying to @GregDember @JaredJanes and
I take metamodernism to be the cultural aspect of meta-systematicity, and meta-rationality to be the cognitive aspect. This usage may not be standard, but we are inventing this stuff as we go along! https://meaningness.com/eggplant/terms pic.twitter.com/8SP9eFlXiG
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Replying to @Meaningness @JaredJanes and
Thanks, David. Are you familiar with the body of work in academic humanities and cultural criticism emanating from the 2010 "Notes on Metamodernism" by Vermeulen & van den Akker, who I'm pretty sure got the term out there before integral/meta-rationality/etc folks began using it?
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Replying to @GregDember @JaredJanes and
Yes; probably not all of it, but I think I read everything that google was able to find as of two years ago
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Replying to @Meaningness @GregDember and
FWIW, I find the “transcend and include” formulation of metamodernism more interesting than the “oscillation” formulation. Perhaps the oscillatory version is a better fit to actually-existing cultural production (as of 2010, or even now) but it seems to have less future potential
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Replying to @Meaningness @GregDember and
What would be a good intro to the ‘transcend and include’ formulation of metamodernism?
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Um, um, um, I haven’t thought about this in 2-3 years, so… Probably Hanzi Freinacht? But tbh I have read only the web site, not the book.https://metamoderna.org/
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Replying to @Meaningness @utotranslucence and
Freinacht is the pseudonym of two guys, one of whom studied with Michael Commons, a developmental psychologist who has a Neo-Piagetian stage theory that features “postformal operations.” The various theories of postformality (incl Kegan’s stage 5) seem analogous w/ metamodernism.
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Replying to @Meaningness @utotranslucence and
Postformal operations transcend and include formal operations (which more-or-less correspond with technical rationality; hence “meta-rationality”).
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