If we're lucky maybe we could get @Meaningness &/or @_awbery_ to chime in on any connections they see with metamodern/meta-rational sensibilities found in Vajrayana practices & philosophy...
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Replying to @JaredJanes @LC_Ceriello and
Sorry I'm out of the loop here; which article was this? I might be able to say something, I don't know... btw I STILL haven't had a chance to listen to your podcast with
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Replying to @Meaningness @LC_Ceriello and
Well we could do a compare on the article I mentioned (linked here) but my thought was that meta-rationality would likely fall under the metamodern label that
@GregDember &@LC_Ceriello outline, so even your .02 on Vajra. correlations would be interesting.https://medium.com/what-is-metamodern/after-postmodernism-eleven-metamodern-methods-in-the-arts-767f7b646cae …2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @JaredJanes @Meaningness and
I don't know a lot about meta-rationality. I'm interested in how it may be a phenomenon of metamodernism. I realize it's probably hard to capture in a tweet, but could you give the nutshell of how you see the connection?
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Replying to @GregDember @JaredJanes and
I take metamodernism to be the cultural aspect of meta-systematicity, and meta-rationality to be the cognitive aspect. This usage may not be standard, but we are inventing this stuff as we go along! https://meaningness.com/eggplant/terms pic.twitter.com/8SP9eFlXiG
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Replying to @Meaningness @JaredJanes and
Thanks, David. Are you familiar with the body of work in academic humanities and cultural criticism emanating from the 2010 "Notes on Metamodernism" by Vermeulen & van den Akker, who I'm pretty sure got the term out there before integral/meta-rationality/etc folks began using it?
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Replying to @GregDember @JaredJanes and
Yes; probably not all of it, but I think I read everything that google was able to find as of two years ago
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Replying to @Meaningness @GregDember and
FWIW, I find the “transcend and include” formulation of metamodernism more interesting than the “oscillation” formulation. Perhaps the oscillatory version is a better fit to actually-existing cultural production (as of 2010, or even now) but it seems to have less future potential
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Replying to @Meaningness @JaredJanes and
It's important to note that "oscillation" doesn't mean oscillation between any two poles, but specifically between pairs of mod/Pomo opposites. And... just as "modernism" & "postmodernism" were/are terms used to describe observed cultural artifacts, that's how we're using MM.
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Replying to @GregDember @JaredJanes and
Thanks, yes, that’s the way I understood oscillation I think.
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“Modernity” & “postmodernity” are understood as wider categories than just artistic production; “metamodernity” seems like it could be (and in fact is) also used more broadly. That said, I’d prefer to use “meta-systematicity” for the broad phenomenon, for the reason you adduce
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Replying to @Meaningness @JaredJanes and
Yes - We treat "Modernism" and "Postmodernism" as wider than the arts, and same with "Metamodernism." They cover all cultural products/artifacts, including expressions in politics, religion, language, etc. You'll find that in http://metamodernism.com andhttp://whatismetamodern.com
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