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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Jason Snyder‏ @cognazor 26 Oct 2019
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      Not sure what you mean, both? Not sure why so expensive, limited release I guess. I'd check out the website, which has a lot of the same content

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    2. David Farr‏ @dfarrrr 26 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @cognazor @JaredJanes and

      http://metamoderna.org  is helpful. Ty. The only issue I have w/it is its claim that MM only enters the scene with the advent of the internet. This overlooks thinkers like William James and Paul Feyerabend (et al) who show strong MM tendencies, at least by this sites parameters.

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    3. Jason Snyder‏ @cognazor 26 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @dfarrrr @JaredJanes and

      Perhaps the point is that, while there were thinkers here and there that had metamodern (or proto-metamodern) tendencies in the past, it couldn't emerge as a socio/cultural/political movement until the internet.

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    4. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes 26 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @cognazor @dfarrrr and

      I think this type of development goes back quite far, but was quite rare. I think Vajrayana Buddhism is built on refined metamodern philosophy & practice.

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    5. Linda C. Ceriello‏ @LC_Ceriello 26 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @cognazor and

      Not sure if I get the drift— what aspects of mm do you connect w Vajrayana and what about the fact that mm emerges as a response to mod & Pomo— how are you saying Vajr could be “built on” mm?

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    6. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @LC_Ceriello @cognazor and

      Well... this does make more sense from a developmental MM POV (ie. personal/cultural dev being similar), but cultural epistemes aside if I look at the MM methods listed in the article we covered in our ep I see many of the techniques in Vajrayana.

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    7. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @LC_Ceriello and

      If we're lucky maybe we could get @Meaningness &/or @_awbery_ to chime in on any connections they see with metamodern/meta-rational sensibilities found in Vajrayana practices & philosophy...

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @LC_Ceriello and

      Sorry I'm out of the loop here; which article was this? I might be able to say something, I don't know... btw I STILL haven't had a chance to listen to your podcast with @ssica3003, but @_awbery_ spoke very highly of it, and I look forward to it!

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    9. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @LC_Ceriello and

      Well we could do a compare on the article I mentioned (linked here) but my thought was that meta-rationality would likely fall under the metamodern label that @GregDember & @LC_Ceriello outline, so even your .02 on Vajra. correlations would be interesting.https://medium.com/what-is-metamodern/after-postmodernism-eleven-metamodern-methods-in-the-arts-767f7b646cae …

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    10. Greg Dember‏ @GregDember 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @Meaningness and

      I don't know a lot about meta-rationality. I'm interested in how it may be a phenomenon of metamodernism. I realize it's probably hard to capture in a tweet, but could you give the nutshell of how you see the connection?

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @GregDember @JaredJanes and

      I take metamodernism to be the cultural aspect of meta-systematicity, and meta-rationality to be the cognitive aspect. This usage may not be standard, but we are inventing this stuff as we go along! https://meaningness.com/eggplant/terms pic.twitter.com/8SP9eFlXiG

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        2. Greg Dember‏ @GregDember 27 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @JaredJanes and

          Thanks, David. Are you familiar with the body of work in academic humanities and cultural criticism emanating from the 2010 "Notes on Metamodernism" by Vermeulen & van den Akker, who I'm pretty sure got the term out there before integral/meta-rationality/etc folks began using it?

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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          Yes; probably not all of it, but I think I read everything that google was able to find as of two years ago

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        2. Linda C. Ceriello‏ @LC_Ceriello 27 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @GregDember and

          I guess I would say, invent away! But can someone explain one thing: Why call these things "metamodern" when y'all already have perfectly good terms for the things you're describing--terms that are not already in use and doing work in critical/cultural theory capacities?

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 27 Oct 2019
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          I sympathize—It’s worrying and frustrating when a term one invents gets appropriated and used for somewhat different things by some larger group that you don’t have sway over and who may not understand the original meaning.

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        1. Mark Forman‏ @MarkDForman 1 Nov 2019
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          I'd say that - pivoting off of Integral Theory - that any true post-post-modern system would have to have cultural aspects, systematicity, and cognitive aspects. Roughly 2nd person, 3rd person, and 1st person. Probably the different PPM systems do some aspects better than others.

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