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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 14 Aug 2019
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      2) was a little surprised by how positively and extensively @_awbery_ talks about TMI, given that their blog posts and other comments have sounded a little critical

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    2. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 14 Aug 2019
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      3) re: subminds, there were some mentions of Minsky/Culadasa assuming some "master submind" which is in control. Was a little confused by that, since a prominent theme for both is that there is no such special submind or homunculus, and that it's all decision-making by committee.

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    3. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 14 Aug 2019
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      Yes, iirc that was Michael’s descrption of Minsky’s concept (which I think is accurate, though I’m not an expert), which Culadasa has adapted. 1/2

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    4. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 14 Aug 2019
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      Problem is that the homunculus is still there logically - if subminds are taken as accurate representation of how the brain works. One can simply declare that it isn’t, and proceed with theory based on fiat. That might be fruitful, and seems to be so for many.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 14 Aug 2019
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      Yes this is another version of the “billions of tiny spooks” problem. As usual no one has done a good explanation of this for a general audience, although it’s well-understood in philosophy of mind. Why do I always have to do all the translational work?https://meaningness.com/representational-theory-of-mind …

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    6. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 15 Aug 2019
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      Curious about why you people think the homonculus is still there.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 15 Aug 2019
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      (Awake briefly at 2:30am, will follow up later) (Speaking only for myself): It’s not there; it’s that cognitivist explanations of subjectivity, and of intentionality, can’t work without it.

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 15 Aug 2019
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      So, the question is, how do you get mental things in a materialist metaphysics, i.e. one without spooks (such as a homunculus). Dennett is unusual in seemingly taking an “eliminationist” approach, i.e. simply denying that the mental phenomena (qualia, intentionality) exist.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 15 Aug 2019
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      (“Seemingly” because when I last read his stuff, which was like 30 years ago, he waffled a bit. He may have clarified or changed his position since, but I haven’t heard so.)

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 15 Aug 2019
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      Eliminativism solves the logical problem, but hardly anyone else buys it. Also it seems to make the substantive part of the job of cogsci much harder, because you can no longer use mental entities in your explanations.

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      Also, Eliminativist: You don’t have subjective experiences. Anyone else: Yes I do! E: That’s just an illusion. A: An illusion is a mistaken subjective experience, and you just said I don’t have them.

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 15 Aug 2019
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          E: Well, I was being polite. Actually, you are just wired up to say you have experiences. And beliefs. You don’t actually believe you have experiences, or anything else. No one is home; you are a low-quality robot. A: [Punches him]

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 15 Aug 2019
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          So say we admit there is subjective experience and want to explain it. Generally experience is experience *of* something; it is “intentional” in the technical sense of *about* something. So how does it get its aboutness?

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        2. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 16 Aug 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @_awbery_ @OortCloudAtlas

          From my reading of _Consciousness Explained_, it felt like Dennett was working towards an explanation towards what Chalmers calls "the meta-problem of consciousness" - explaining why humans think that there must be a hard problem of consciousness. ( http://consc.net/papers/metaproblem.pdf … )

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        3. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 16 Aug 2019
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          As you might guess, I'm sympathetic to Dennett, but I do think that he has failed to provide a convincing explanation for why, if there are no qualia, it sure seems like there would be (and what it would even mean for there to *seem* to be qualia without actually being).

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