Are there any accounts of "emptiness", preferably purely phenomenological/methodological, that don't presume a contentious metaphysics?
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_
“The absence of thought with the presence of awareness” seems relatively unproblematic. (Although the possibility if rhat is denied by some major philosophers.) Nb I don’t particularly advocate that definition, just noting it as reasonably inoffensive metaphysically
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Replying to @Meaningness
What do you not like about it, that it is in some sense misleading (like given differing interpretations of what "thought" is), or that it is outright false/there is more to it?
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_ @Meaningness
What is it like for you, or anyone who has practice with emptiness, to be confronted by the question "what is 94 + 67", and to answer it? From reading your stuff, it doesn't seem like emptiness is incompatible with computing this, but that seems incompatible with "no thought"
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_
For Vajrayana, emptiness is not the goal; it is in fact the starting point. (Sutrayana takes emptiness as the goal.) Emptiness and form are inseparable; they are two aspects of the same thing, and conceptually distinguishing them is somewhat of a distortion.
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Replying to @Meaningness
I want to find this starting point, and I think I know at least some of the phenomenology that is going on there, but the explanations also get wrapped up in metaphysics that I can't accept because they imply a rejection, not enrichment, of the ordinary everyday
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_ @Meaningness
Looking up emptiness + form brings me to this: http://arobuddhism.org/view/form-emptiness-and-non-duality.html … (and I know you talk about them). This account of non-dual emptiness vs form is more helpful than others (although it includes word for word your "absence of thought, presence of awareness")
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Yes, that’s the system I mainly learned this from.
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Replying to @Meaningness @FateOfTwist_
Task-Negative cognition and default mode network might be helpful areas to target in order to make this 'cleaner' at the start.
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Replied in wrong spot. 42 lashes!
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