Are there any accounts of "emptiness", preferably purely phenomenological/methodological, that don't presume a contentious metaphysics?
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_
“The absence of thought with the presence of awareness” seems relatively unproblematic. (Although the possibility if rhat is denied by some major philosophers.) Nb I don’t particularly advocate that definition, just noting it as reasonably inoffensive metaphysically
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Replying to @Meaningness
What do you not like about it, that it is in some sense misleading (like given differing interpretations of what "thought" is), or that it is outright false/there is more to it?
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_ @Meaningness
What is it like for you, or anyone who has practice with emptiness, to be confronted by the question "what is 94 + 67", and to answer it? From reading your stuff, it doesn't seem like emptiness is incompatible with computing this, but that seems incompatible with "no thought"
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Replying to @FateOfTwist_
For Vajrayana, emptiness is not the goal; it is in fact the starting point. (Sutrayana takes emptiness as the goal.) Emptiness and form are inseparable; they are two aspects of the same thing, and conceptually distinguishing them is somewhat of a distortion.
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Replying to @Meaningness @FateOfTwist_
It’s natural for thoughts to occur; prolonged states of non-thought require difficult practice to produce artificially. There’s value in that, in seeing what awareness is like without thought, but it’s not where you’d want to stop.
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Replying to @Meaningness @FateOfTwist_
There’s nothing bad about thinking (quite the opposite). The Semdé meditation system aims to first clarify and then transform the experiential nature of thought. The still awareness-within-which thought arises becomes apparent initially only when noisy thought *doesn’t* arise.
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Maintaining that awareness while doing work that requires thinking (such as mental arithmetic) is cast as one interpretation of the non-duality of emptiness and form; you experience both simultaneously.
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