Sitting in a circle with 'nothing to do' alongside 20-30 others for 6-8 hours a day turns out to be highly triggering. My experience is that it drops me back into the felt dynamics of my family system.
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This can be quite terrifying and challenging, but becomes tractable when combined with the bio-emotive framework and meditation. My experience was something like: 1. Pay attention to the somatic response, trying to perceive when emotional 'trigger' begins to emerge
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2. Continue to participate in the circle, which tends to amplify the trigger further, while adding more dimensionality to the underlying pattern 3. Leave the circle and use the bioemotive framework to process and release the underlying emotional wound (aka lots of crying) /4
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4. Come back in the circle with a greater sense of freedom and connection 5. Repeat This seems to be a fast track for cleaning up.
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This sounds like you guys are building a tantra? Any environment where people are interacting with each-other with meditative intent will basically turn into tantra. Surprising direction of development.
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I'm curious to know
@Meaningness's take on how this (Vinay's remark, in the context of Daniel's whole thread) connects with eg the Aro Buddhism > "Self-liberation means allowing emotional energy to be as it is." http://arobuddhism.org/community/an-uncommon-perspective.html …2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Not sure what you are asking?, but: - Circling has always sounded creepy to me (but I know almost nothing about it) - What Vinay says seems right, if hedged for the vagueness of “meditative” and “tantra” - Self-liberation is the principle of Dzogchen, not tantra
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Interesting bit about self liberation, dzog chen, and tantra. I've always seen dzog chen and Hindu tantra as pretty much identical. The practitioners seem near identical in person, but I wonder (given your statement) if that's right. My understanding is limited.
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I know almost nothing about Hindu tantra, so can’t help with that!
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Oh, one other thing to say. I’ve written in several places that Western Buddhism keeps reinventing aspects of tantra, because tantra is better-aligned with the Western worldview than sutra is. But the reinventions generally suck and often explode, sometimes killing people.
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Rather than importing dubious non-Buddhist practices as substitutes for Buddhist tantra, it would be much better to bite the bullet and do the real thing, thereby getting the benefit of 1300 years of smart people figuring it out plus vast trial-and-error practice.
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Know anyone who can come to Vermont and share the real thing with us?
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Long shot, but I have a lama in mind who might just possibly be willing. Will contact them and let you know if so.
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I was too polite to say that. Thank you. Although their head honcho is a very experienced guy, proper monastic experience etc.
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