Worth keeping in mind that, as with any pharmaceutical treatment, psychological practices may also have side effects: https://aeon.co/essays/mindfulness-is-loaded-with-troubling-metaphysical-assumptions … (@meaningness - I think you've argued that the issues she raises are found more with sutra than tantra?)
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Replying to @mrgunn
Yes. The theory is somewhat confused and under-developed, but Vajrayana doesn’t aim for no-self, and implicitly or explicitly admits there more-or-less is such a thing. The practice aims at experiencing the self as real yet insubstantial, non-separate, intermittent, indefinite.
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Replying to @Meaningness @mrgunn
This doesn’t imply that Vajrayana is safe; it isn’t. But depersonalization, derealization, depression, and nihilism (loss of meaning) are not common bad outcomes from Tantra. Those are common bad outcomes from Sutra.
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Replying to @Meaningness @mrgunn
What would you say a potential bad outcome from tantra might be? (Vajra hell notwithstanding)
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Replying to @ifIknewIdtellya @mrgunn
Personality disorders or delusional psychosis. (Both predictable consequences of trying to convince yourself you are a god... just as depersonalization etc are predictable consequences of trying to convince yourself you don’t exist and neither does anything else!)
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Replying to @Meaningness @mrgunn
Sounds right to me. I’m curious if there’s any way people can be “screened” for a predilection towards these beforehand. My understanding of personality disorders is probably more “folk” than “academic” but I thought childhood damage came into play.
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That is an excellent question!
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