Worth keeping in mind that, as with any pharmaceutical treatment, psychological practices may also have side effects: https://aeon.co/essays/mindfulness-is-loaded-with-troubling-metaphysical-assumptions … (@meaningness - I think you've argued that the issues she raises are found more with sutra than tantra?)
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Yes. The theory is somewhat confused and under-developed, but Vajrayana doesn’t aim for no-self, and implicitly or explicitly admits there more-or-less is such a thing. The practice aims at experiencing the self as real yet insubstantial, non-separate, intermittent, indefinite.
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Replying to @Meaningness @mrgunn
This doesn’t imply that Vajrayana is safe; it isn’t. But depersonalization, derealization, depression, and nihilism (loss of meaning) are not common bad outcomes from Tantra. Those are common bad outcomes from Sutra.
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Replying to @Meaningness @mrgunn
With tantra you may just end up believing you’re a god. Lol. Or believing your guru is. But seriously the two extremes are described as nihilism vs eternalism. I think many tantrikas are liable to see themselves as level 10 rainbow body bodhisatvas. That can be problematic.
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David Chapman @MeaningnessReplying to @ifIknewIdtellya @mrgunnPersonality disorders or delusional psychosis. (Both predictable consequences of trying to convince yourself you are a god... just as depersonalization etc are predictable consequences of trying to convince yourself you don’t exist and neither does anything else!)1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @Meaningness @mrgunn
Ha! I saw that. I just recently started wading into your and
@_awbery_ ‘s blogs about tantra and really enjoying them. Have you ever visited the Berzin archives? There is a lot of great tantra information there.2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
Yes, that’s a great resource!
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