Liberal application of science-y jargon has not rescued the 2500+ year delusion that Man's Essential Nature is divided between Animal Passions and Divine Reason.https://twitter.com/robsica/status/1152577864526471170?s=20 …
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Dual process theory never made sense as science. Its appeal has to be understood psychoanalytically. It's a strategy for strengthening the goodself (ego ideal), identified with rationality, against the badself (id), identified as irrationality. https://meaningness.com/metablog/guru-papers-monism-control …pic.twitter.com/WwSN3au33r
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What if the goodself is bad? Could we have civilized norms without an ego ideal?
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Yeah the explanation in the Guru Papers (book I cited) is that it’s not nearly as good as it pretends, and may be bad on balance (although mixed). And, yes I think one could, although that may require an adult+ stage of moral development. Whether society-wide... I don’t know. 1/2
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this was my sort of tongue-in-cheek take from earlier -- the book blames all sorts of contemporary problems on our focus on the ego-ideal (which would become the superego in Freud's later work)https://twitter.com/simpolism/status/1153132718047268876 …
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simpolism @simpolismReplying to @simpolism @chaosprime @FrankBigTime(actually the book I've been reading is specifically about this exact topic and was responsible for coining the naive observer. he argues societies can be based on either the naive observer (superstition/belief/magic, ethics) or the all-knowing observer (faith, morality)1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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He argues various ancient societies including the Greeks did not believe in a "punishing" superego, but rather on a "naive observer" (what Lacan would call the big Other), and as a result they were more able to experience pleasure and less focused on fantasies about self
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Does this relate to the shame culture vs guilt culture distinction?
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I hadn't thought about it in this context but yes! It seems to be the same distinction, just considered psychoanalytically.
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