I have found myself in strong agreement with what @evantthompson has said in this discussion.
@_awbery_ and I have discussed this extensively for years. This on-going project emerges in part from that:https://vajrayananow.wordpress.com/2019/06/01/journaling-a-staged-path/ …
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Replying to @Meaningness @evantthompson and
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts about why Dzogchen, and in particular the state of mind it tends toward, is different. Could you speak to this?
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Replying to @SpeakingSubject @evantthompson and
I most try to convey in my writing that different Buddhisms *are* radically different. The "Consensus Buddhist" framework denied this, and successfully obscured it for three decades. Once differences are admitted, one can ask which are good tools for specific purposes.
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Replying to @Meaningness @SpeakingSubject and
No extant system is free from severe flaws, or best for all purposes. Dzogchen has flaws that are probably fatal. People will still be doing Mahasi-Lite
in 100 years; Dzogchen will probably be extinct.2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @Meaningness @SpeakingSubject and
OK this is interesting to me, from a speculative history stance (and a few others.) What do you see as the flaws within Dozgchen that are potentially fatal? Why won’t it be practiced in 100 years? (I agree that Mahasi-esque noting practices will likely last a long time)
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Replying to @Timber_22 @SpeakingSubject and
> the flaws within Dozgchen Product-market fit based on segmentation dynamics that no longer obtain; providers unable to pivot positioning strategy.
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Replying to @Timber_22 @Meaningness and
Yes, and... if called in as a consultant, I’d add not just a positioning question, the distribution model is broken
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Replying to @Timber_22 @Meaningness and
Whoah my thumb-typing is off Dzogchen
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Replying to @Timber_22 @Meaningness and
I wouldn’t put any money down that it will be “extinct” as in “vanished from the earth”, but I would not expect it to be a live player
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There will be texts of course. Anyone who can actually teach it? I’d guess not, but predicting beyond the lifetime of current teachers is highly uncertain. I suspect it is alive now only because of Western interest; it would be dead already if it depended on Tibetans.
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Replying to @Meaningness @SpeakingSubject and
I’m not sure if I can fully get on board with your last statement. Clearly, though, Western interest has infused a lot of energy and resources into it. Lately, too there is interest from Chinese people. (Anecdote: there’s a prominent & well-regarded qi gong master...
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Replying to @Timber_22 @Meaningness and
...who also identifies as Tibetan Buddhist. Don’t know which lineage.)
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