I think the retreat you went to was more related to Hindu tantra than Buddhist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra#Hinduism …
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Oh, seems it's more complexly interwoven than that: https://tantrikstudies.squarespace.com/blog/2015/8/2/what-is-tantra-setting-the-record-straight …
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Replying to @SarahAMcManus @HareeshWallis
Okay, now the part I'm confused about is "why, if Sutra and Tantra are near-opposites, has Hareesh done such an enormous deep-dive in the form of a book called The Recognition Sutras? Something something "sutra"~="text"? https://amzn.to/2XpKNdD pic.twitter.com/Pq7PvzZQVz
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Yeah, as far as I can tell "sutra" ~ "text"; this is to be distinguished from the way
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Replying to @QiaochuYuan @Malcolm_Ocean and
The Sutra - Tantra distinction is about categorizing different yanas in Tantric (Vajrayana) Buddhism. Sutra v Tantra distinction is not important in Trika Shaiviism. At all, really. Qiaochu’s on the money here. When you see
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Replying to @Timber_22 @QiaochuYuan and
Yes, it can get convoluted. Sutrayana is distinct from Tantrayana (Sutra and Tantra for short), not a part of it. This distinction comes from Dzogchen, which has a three-way categorization of yanas (paths): sutra, tantra and dzogchen.
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Replying to @_awbery_ @QiaochuYuan and
Yes to the above. Kashmir/Trika Shaivite tradition is an extremely close relative to Vajrayana Buddhism. Probably the closest tradition, in many ways, closer even than other Buddhist schools. That might be a controversial statement to some, but it should not be.
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Replying to @Timber_22 @_awbery_ and
But one •structural• difference between Vajrayana and Trika is that there is no “hinayana” in Trika. There are dualist antecedents in Trika, going back to the first draft of the Yoga Sutras, but it’s not organized in vehicles. Trika is “ekayana” all the way, structurally
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Replying to @Timber_22 @QiaochuYuan and
Hinayana is distinct from Vajrayana by definition. (That’s a different three-way distinction, Hinayana, Mahayana, Vajrayana).
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Replying to @_awbery_ @QiaochuYuan and
Yes, understood. Former Buddhist here, went pretty deep (abishekha deep). Gave vows back to dharmakaya (with blessing of my teacher) Still stan the Vajrayana pretty hard; but from the outside not in
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Curious what led you to switch?
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Replying to @Meaningness @_awbery_ and
Oh that’s a great question, and perhaps the answer’s too big for Twitter. (Perhaps not.) It had to do with exploring the life of Siddharta Gautama, as best as we can reconstruct it. I began to see him as a guy a) who was responding to Axial age questions similarly to...
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Replying to @Timber_22 @Meaningness and
...the Hellenistic life-practice philosophers (Stoics, Epicurus, Pyrrho) - working with existential questions, and also definitely influenced by Indic cultural assumptions about rebirth and b) who had a very unusual upbringing. I don’t think Siddharta’s dad did him many favours
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