I think the retreat you went to was more related to Hindu tantra than Buddhist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra#Hinduism …
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Oh, seems it's more complexly interwoven than that: https://tantrikstudies.squarespace.com/blog/2015/8/2/what-is-tantra-setting-the-record-straight …
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Replying to @SarahAMcManus @HareeshWallis
Okay, now the part I'm confused about is "why, if Sutra and Tantra are near-opposites, has Hareesh done such an enormous deep-dive in the form of a book called The Recognition Sutras? Something something "sutra"~="text"? https://amzn.to/2XpKNdD pic.twitter.com/Pq7PvzZQVz
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Yeah, as far as I can tell "sutra" ~ "text"; this is to be distinguished from the way
@Meaningness uses the term, as shorthand for "sutrayana." Rough analogy, I think, is the way "Scripture" means both text and a particular text.1 reply 1 retweet 1 like -
Replying to @QiaochuYuan @Malcolm_Ocean and
The Sutra - Tantra distinction is about categorizing different yanas in Tantric (Vajrayana) Buddhism. Sutra v Tantra distinction is not important in Trika Shaiviism. At all, really. Qiaochu’s on the money here. When you see
@meaningness or@_awbery_ use “Sutra”....2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @Timber_22 @QiaochuYuan and
Yes, it can get convoluted. Sutrayana is distinct from Tantrayana (Sutra and Tantra for short), not a part of it. This distinction comes from Dzogchen, which has a three-way categorization of yanas (paths): sutra, tantra and dzogchen.
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Replying to @_awbery_ @QiaochuYuan and
Yes to the above. Kashmir/Trika Shaivite tradition is an extremely close relative to Vajrayana Buddhism. Probably the closest tradition, in many ways, closer even than other Buddhist schools. That might be a controversial statement to some, but it should not be.
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Replying to @Timber_22 @_awbery_ and
But one •structural• difference between Vajrayana and Trika is that there is no “hinayana” in Trika. There are dualist antecedents in Trika, going back to the first draft of the Yoga Sutras, but it’s not organized in vehicles. Trika is “ekayana” all the way, structurally
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Replying to @Timber_22 @_awbery_ and
Ekayana - one vehicle. You could also say ekamarga, one path
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Replying to @Timber_22 @_awbery_ and
At some point I might be able to bait
@meaningness to come over and say that Trika is eternalist (in his very bang-on and accurate nihilist-eternalist schema) but I don’t think he’s right. I think Trika philosophy is up there with Vajrayana for its complexity, richness...2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
I know so little about non-Buddhist tantra that I wouldn’t want to venture any opinion.
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Replying to @Meaningness @_awbery_ and
I’ve think the most important distinction I’d want to promulgate: Trika shaivism /= advaita vedanta You might appreciate a scholarly article I shared with
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Replying to @Timber_22 @Meaningness and
Also, I’m appreciative of your work on meaningness, vividness, approaching Aro. High quality writing! And your excavations/explorations of Kegan
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