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David Chapman
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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Arrian‏ @__a__chimera__ 10 Jun 2019
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      Knowing this means @Meaningness' 4.5 shld be the default mode of every sane person. But then you snap yourself out of it. Because you realize that it is not happening yet. Not to you personally. Not yet anyway. Now, at this moment, you and me and the rest just have some problems.

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    2. safe Moon satellite‏ @sadmoonanalog 10 Jun 2019
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      I feel a bit frustrated because people are turning this thread into reading it as a plea from help from *me* personally, when I would really just like some anecdotes about how people overcame this themselves.

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    3. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 11 Jun 2019
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      The meta-rational skill that I apply when feeling anxious or despondent late at night is "Stop trying to reason your way out of this. It just doesn't work. You'll feel better in the morning."

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    4. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 11 Jun 2019
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      If I don't feel better in the morning, then it is time to apply disciplines like exercise, Tai Chi, perhaps journaling. Writing it down can help to cut down on looping or identify real and tractable issues, but can be another kind of unproductive rumination.

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    5. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 11 Jun 2019
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      Re frustration, anger or envy of others who seem to easily function in an unconscious mix of stage 3/4 modes, well, reasoning did help more with that. For one, societies do function without ppl having much understanding about the wheels and how they mesh.

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    6. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 11 Jun 2019
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      So it is not a terrible problem, not necessary that ppl understand in the mode I do. You have to engage with ppl where they are. This especially helped with anger I was feeling toward ppl in denial about evo psych, genetics, who did not place moral value on scientific truth.

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    7. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 11 Jun 2019
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      It also helped to appreciate that ppl are importantly different in how they behave, motivate, and believe, and that I was in a weird esoteric discipline space which most ppl were not capable of going to.

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    8. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 11 Jun 2019
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      I don't think it would be kind to sell postrat view to ppl who haven't stumbled off the stage 4 precipice. But this is not really a problem because it sounds like gibberish to ppl who are secure in their reality tunnel.

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    9. Arrian‏ @__a__chimera__ 11 Jun 2019
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      "sell" sounds a little weird to me in this context, but I agree with you that trying to force one point of view over another on some one who has to make up their mind for themselves would not be an optimal road to take. Yet, there's society. Doing just that. All the time. To all.

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    10. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 11 Jun 2019
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      Kind of moot, b/c it seems ppl can't go there unless they both have weird turn of mind and are ready/have no choice, but eg. think about how stage 4.25 pomo and critical theory is being pushed to ppl who are not really even at 4. I'm maybe at 4.62, and it is not a happy place.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Jun 2019
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      This is the first time I’ve seen three digits—love it! Maybe we should have an -ometer?

      12:28 PM - 11 Jun 2019
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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Jun 2019
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          More seriously, I’ve wondered if some sort of self-assessment tool could be useful. Doing a serious job of it would take serious science that I’m not up for, but but maybe even an amateurish “for entertainment purposes only” version would be of some use.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Jun 2019
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          Of course, it might also be worse than useless. Psychology is hard.

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        1. safe Moon satellite‏ @sadmoonanalog 11 Jun 2019
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          I thought so much legibility was a bad thing ):

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