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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 May 2019
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      I recently started buying spices in bulk from Amazon. You can search the mess of spice bottles on the counter, but if you are expecting caraway in a slender two-inch-tall bottle and it’s in a fat three-inch-tall one, you can look right at it and miss it.pic.twitter.com/NgORXppzcf

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    2. Venkatesh brrrRao‏ @vgr 21 May 2019
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      I assume you’ve read Sarah’s piece on this

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 May 2019
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      Yup! After pondering, I’m not sure whether the specific ways we are quasi-technically using “mess” are the same. @drossbucket has also written interestingly about mess if I’m not confused

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    4. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket 22 May 2019
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      I wrote about @sarahdoingthing's version, and connected it to some of your stuff, but didn't add much new. Yeah I think they're somewhat different, hers is 'multiple competing ontologies are present' rather than 'no good ontologies'

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 May 2019
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      Replying to @drossbucket @vgr @sarahdoingthing

      Then maybe the Grand Unified Theory of Mess is: “I want there to be a clean-cut ontology here but there isn’t one”? (Nobody wants cubic clouds of uniform density. I hope.)

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 May 2019
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      Oh, for goodness sakes, how does Alan Watts get off ripping off my analogy? > When Alan Watts notes that they are not symmetrical and do not come along in cubes

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 May 2019
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      Ah, yes, here we are, Sarah’s years ahead of me:pic.twitter.com/tXGOnjYJuK

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    8. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket 22 May 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @vgr @sarahdoingthing

      Yep, the multiple conflicting highly regular orders are key. Which is why clouds aren't a mess, even though they aren't cubes.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 May 2019
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      Replying to @drossbucket @vgr @sarahdoingthing

      Let me try an alternate theory: it’s the desire for an ordering principle that is absent that’s criterial. There aren’t multiple competing ontologies for the mess I posted a photo of yesterday, but I wanted some principle for “how the hell do I deal with all this stuff?”

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    10. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket 22 May 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @vgr @sarahdoingthing

      Hm maybe I'm not understanding what your theory is. Sarah's seems correct to me. Maybe 'ontologies' isn't the right word, but your mess photo absolutely suggests multiple conflicting human orderings. The boxes 'want to be' stacked, etc.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @drossbucket @vgr @sarahdoingthing

      I've bookmarked this tweet to come back to when I'm next thinking about mess, because it seems that I'm confused. Meanwhile, this looks relevant and interesting (h/t @marick):https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0415341752 …

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