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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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      But if that rejection is communicated to others who aren't ready for it, without its own attendant justification and the tools or whatever to help them also develop appropriately, then it can cause backward instead of forward movement. /

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    2. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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      That's basically just my reading of your own "bridge to meta-rationality" article, but I find it convincing and see it as making "the stories used to justify rationality are false" unnecessary to explain what's observed.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 May 2019
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      While generally agreeing here, there seems to have been a shift; most people used to more-or-less accept that science was mostly justified, even if they didn’t understand it at all, and even if they rejected particular bits. “It’s just another belief system” is prevalent now.

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    4. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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      Maybe I'd prefer to say "The stories used to justify rationality are no longer convincing to a lot of people." Focusing on whether they are *false* makes the claim harder to prove and pretty much limited in its usefulness even if proven, to operating within rationality itself.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 May 2019
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      I’d be interested to hear more from this line of reasoning? Is there a better way to get more convincing stories than to find ones that are actually accurate?

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    6. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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      It's not something I have thought about much before this conversation just now, but it seems to me that we need to know what the audience actually cares about. E.g. the spectacular failure of most atheists to recruit, because they care themselves about whether God exists /

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    7. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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      and assume that's what religious people care about, too. So an attempt to prove that God doesn't exist comes across to the religious person as "This nutbar is going to lengths to convince me of something stupid and irrelevant." /

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    8. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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      Now, if I knew what people who are rejecting rationality want that they aren't getting from rationality, I'd be much more successful in many of my own projects than I am. But I think it's probably not "a way of determining which propositions are true or false." /

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    9. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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      It may have a lot to do with stuff like having technology (even "low" technology) that really works. "I don't want to walk under a bridge that was built on the basis of 'alternative ways of knowing.' " is a strong argument that I think resonates with a lot of people. /

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    10. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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      But the "high" technology we have today that does *not* work, and is hostile to what people want out of life, is not helping anything here.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 May 2019
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      These are very interesting points! If rationality/science is considered “a belief system,” then what is wanted is a way of making meaningful sense of the world. Rationalists often evangelize a claim of providing that, which they mostly can’t deliver on, which is unhelpful.

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 May 2019
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          Rationalism/scientism has generally presented itself as an alternative to religion/magic, and therefore is evaluated by religious criteria (whether positively or negatively). Maybe emphasizing instead the ways rationality/science is orthogonal in purpose would be helpful?

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        2. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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          I see a lot of people expecting technology - and science beneath - to be magic; then it's no different from other claimed magic. Maybe this could be improved by better legibility of the connection between *basic* rationality and complicated applications.https://twitter.com/mattskala/status/1129121292756635649 …

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          "How can I modify X product to turn it into Y product?" "By throwing it out and buying Y product." What makes people think the correct answer is likely to be something other than this? Complicated tech artifacts are never almost the same and easily changed into each other.
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        3. Matthew Skala  😷‏ @mattskala 19 May 2019
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          The linked tweet was prompted by a discussion in a DIY electronics forum where someone wanted to "mod" a fixed-voltage power supply to be variable voltage and add a couple other features that just weren't in the monolithic voltage regulators of the original.

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