He points also to developing alliances between groups that ignore their left/right differences to join in anti-rational causes. He cites a divisive "wokeness" movement within fundamentalism (first I've heard of this). Feminist-Islamist alliances might be another example?
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Boghossian says he thinks the anti-rational insurgency will necessarily collapse because it has no structure of justification. I am less optimistic: Removing any feeling of need for justification is exactly why it is powerful and attractive! https://meaningness.com/metablog/communal-vs-systematic-politics …pic.twitter.com/rhFxvWSRlL
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The fact is, most people don't care about rational justifications. Those were always an elite affectation. Elites conspired to keep political discourse within systematic rules, but twitter ended that. Boghossian wrings his hands over this loss; I imagine 4chan & SJWs laughing.pic.twitter.com/gIMuv4Ql5X
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Given a choice between rationalism & anti-rationalism, I will unhesitatingly choose the first. Until we create something better—which I hope we will—rationalist institutions are absolutely necessary to our survival. But the age of rationalism has passed.https://meaningness.com/metablog/rationalism-critiques …
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@peterboghossian, I would have been less polite than@peternlimberg, and pressed him with "yes, and"s. Standpoint epistemology is not entirely wrong; we do all have limited knowledge and understanding, which is partly a matter of social position; this does matter.3 replies 1 retweet 13 likesShow this thread -
(I should say that it's a GREAT interview and I recommend listening! Both participants were really sharp and interesting.)https://anchor.fm/intellectualexplorersclub/episodes/Peter-Boghoassian---The-Great-Realignment-e3vobd …
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Intersectionality can be misused as an inverted standard of value, but it's a real thing. My black female immigrant lover got specific types of flak that people in any two of those three categories would not have faced.
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There was a point in the interview where both of them agreed with no qualms that (for eg) a black lesbian has all the power right now, which left me a bit aghast at the verbal slip. I think what they meant was, in the culture war, in an online argument, or a viral video /
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scenario, that person has an intersectional advantage and a white man will probably lose his job. But to say "that person has all the power" is just crazy. What checks can she cash, what lands does she inherit, what titles is she bequeathed, based on her attributes? /
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And on average, people with traits that give them intersectional advantages are not powerful in society at large. That's the whole reason intersectionality has any adherents! It must be the wrong lens to look at _everything_ with, but that doesn't mean those problems aren't real.
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Yes agreed. I don’t remember that specific bit of the discussion but unless there was a strong contextual framing, it sounds mistaken.
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I don't recall this either. Possible contextual misunderstanding or verbal sloppiness on my part as I am in agreement with what you wrote above.
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