So the thing you hated was that it mischaracterizes existentialism, in your view?
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Replying to @Meaningness
mischaracterizes it, and the idea that they're even contrary is silly upon further reflection how much different is "find meaning in individual things" from "choose meaning"? Really, it's a classic mistake to assume that existentialism/nihilism have "life has no meaning" as...
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Replying to @Commie_sama @Meaningness
a conclusion. Sure, some people believe that and go to despair. But there are so many beliefs and philosophies that extend from that premise, and you saying that your idea is somehow against it disregards all of them
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Replying to @Meaningness
Read "existentialism is a humanism"? "The ethics of ambiguity"? You can't form legitimate arguments against philosophies, nay, ideas, that you do not understand or have done research on.
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Replying to @Commie_sama
Yes, I have read both of those. (I recommend de Beauvoir’s piece in one if my discussions of ethics somewhere.)
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Replying to @Meaningness
So if you know that Beauvoir's ethics have a basis in existentialism, why would you think that existentialism -> despair?
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Replying to @Commie_sama
It’s one common outcome but not universal. (Even for full-fledged nihilism.) My objection is that independent individual choice is impossible. (This is more a Kierkegaard & early Heidegger thing than a Sartre one probably.)
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Replying to @Meaningness
does choice being dependent on outside things or outside people matter? It's still... choice.
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Replying to @Commie_sama
It mattered a lot to the existentialists. The necessity and possibility of perfectly free choice (which is “authentic”) vs culturally conditioned “bad faith” is the main point of _Being and Nothingness_ for instance.
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Since I think “authenticity” in this technical sense is impossible and undesirable, I think it doesn’t matter... which is why I am not an existentialist.
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Replying to @Meaningness
sounds extremely "Nature/nurture" to me, in that trying to separate them isn't necessary, aka not mutually exclusive people shouldn't try to separate things that aren't separated, basically haven't read Being and Nothingness, to be fair
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Replying to @Commie_sama
Yes, exactly; it’s a mixture, which Sartre denied. The book is sort of fun to read so long as you go in knowing it’s batshit insane and that if you try to take it seriously you’d have a hard time.
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