He points also to developing alliances between groups that ignore their left/right differences to join in anti-rational causes. He cites a divisive "wokeness" movement within fundamentalism (first I've heard of this). Feminist-Islamist alliances might be another example?
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Boghossian says he thinks the anti-rational insurgency will necessarily collapse because it has no structure of justification. I am less optimistic: Removing any feeling of need for justification is exactly why it is powerful and attractive! https://meaningness.com/metablog/communal-vs-systematic-politics …pic.twitter.com/rhFxvWSRlL
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The fact is, most people don't care about rational justifications. Those were always an elite affectation. Elites conspired to keep political discourse within systematic rules, but twitter ended that. Boghossian wrings his hands over this loss; I imagine 4chan & SJWs laughing.pic.twitter.com/gIMuv4Ql5X
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Given a choice between rationalism & anti-rationalism, I will unhesitatingly choose the first. Until we create something better—which I hope we will—rationalist institutions are absolutely necessary to our survival. But the age of rationalism has passed.https://meaningness.com/metablog/rationalism-critiques …
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@peterboghossian, I would have been less polite than@peternlimberg, and pressed him with "yes, and"s. Standpoint epistemology is not entirely wrong; we do all have limited knowledge and understanding, which is partly a matter of social position; this does matter.3 replies 1 retweet 13 likesShow this thread -
(I should say that it's a GREAT interview and I recommend listening! Both participants were really sharp and interesting.)https://anchor.fm/intellectualexplorersclub/episodes/Peter-Boghoassian---The-Great-Realignment-e3vobd …
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Intersectionality can be misused as an inverted standard of value, but it's a real thing. My black female immigrant lover got specific types of flak that people in any two of those three categories would not have faced.
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Postmodernism is invoked as all-purpose backing for "you have to do whatever I want you to, because my feelings, facts be damned"; but the overall postmodern critique of rationalism is actually correct. There are no ultimate foundations anywhere.
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Do you mean that there are no ultimate rationalist foundations anywhere? Reality is a foundation.
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Well... this could lead to a discussion about what “foundation” and “reality” each mean, which differs in different contexts, and then how reality does and doesn’t function as a foundation for what purposes, and so on.
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There’s lots of ways to get this wrong by oversimplifying it. But... the melting point of bismuth is 271C, which is easy to check, and the conceptual complexities are irrelevant to that.
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I'd distinguish between the idea that we measure reality differently in different contexts from the idea that there is a reality. We have to measure it differently because we are finite, but we believe that reality is unified.
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I try to avoid metaphysical questions of this general flavor. Better to find out through observation what we actually do and how.
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