He points also to developing alliances between groups that ignore their left/right differences to join in anti-rational causes. He cites a divisive "wokeness" movement within fundamentalism (first I've heard of this). Feminist-Islamist alliances might be another example?
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Boghossian says he thinks the anti-rational insurgency will necessarily collapse because it has no structure of justification. I am less optimistic: Removing any feeling of need for justification is exactly why it is powerful and attractive! https://meaningness.com/metablog/communal-vs-systematic-politics …pic.twitter.com/rhFxvWSRlL
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The fact is, most people don't care about rational justifications. Those were always an elite affectation. Elites conspired to keep political discourse within systematic rules, but twitter ended that. Boghossian wrings his hands over this loss; I imagine 4chan & SJWs laughing.pic.twitter.com/gIMuv4Ql5X
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Given a choice between rationalism & anti-rationalism, I will unhesitatingly choose the first. Until we create something better—which I hope we will—rationalist institutions are absolutely necessary to our survival. But the age of rationalism has passed.https://meaningness.com/metablog/rationalism-critiques …
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Interviewing
@peterboghossian, I would have been less polite than@peternlimberg, and pressed him with "yes, and"s. Standpoint epistemology is not entirely wrong; we do all have limited knowledge and understanding, which is partly a matter of social position; this does matter.3 replies 1 retweet 13 likesShow this thread -
(I should say that it's a GREAT interview and I recommend listening! Both participants were really sharp and interesting.)https://anchor.fm/intellectualexplorersclub/episodes/Peter-Boghoassian---The-Great-Realignment-e3vobd …
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Intersectionality can be misused as an inverted standard of value, but it's a real thing. My black female immigrant lover got specific types of flak that people in any two of those three categories would not have faced.
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Postmodernism is invoked as all-purpose backing for "you have to do whatever I want you to, because my feelings, facts be damned"; but the overall postmodern critique of rationalism is actually correct. There are no ultimate foundations anywhere.
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Can we oppose anti-rationalist political movements effectively while acknowledging that their grievances and their critiques of rationalist institutions and their esoteric epistemologies are partly justified? Wouldn't that be MORE effective?
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Both Occupy and the Tea Party objected to a problem I think is real: monopoly of power through force by a tiny elite. Nothing inherently irrational about that. But "rationalism" has been so closely associated with elite authoritarianism that rebels embrace irrationalism.
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Yes, exactly! I was trying to say that in the post; maybe it didn’t come through
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You'd almost need a different name for "reason" -- call it "shmeason" -- for something that's about discerning the shape of the world rather than being a dutiful student or employee.
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