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David Chapman
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David Chapman

@Meaningness

Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      Distinction between technical rationality = ways of applying formal methods in concrete real-world situations & rationalism = metaphysical claims that some sort of rationality guarantees correctness, optimality, or some other epistemic wonderfulness

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    2. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      Yes, the -isms present all sorts of problems, don't they? Still, I wonder how prevalent the belief is that rationality guarantees correctness or optimality. My perspective may be skewed, but I see widespread understanding among scientists that truth is probabilistic.

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    3. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      So you're saying that as a practice, it works, but as a religion/metaphysics, it has to fail. You've certainly convinced me of that, but I don't know how many people take the religious stance.

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      Yes, I don’t have numbers. My impression is that it’s common, and probably a substantial majority of working scientists, but I could be wrong!

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      This is a pop statement of “religious” probabilistic rationalism (if I understand it, which I’m not sure I do):https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/CPP2uLcaywEokFKQG/toolbox-thinking-and-law-thinking …

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    6. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 6 May 2019
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      Having read all the above, some thoughts: a) yes, I do find the EM jargon impenetrable. b) I think, based on my experiences as a scientist & publisher, that the "religious" form rationalism is rare enough to be discounted as a major influence on how research is done.

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    7. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 6 May 2019
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      I kept going back and forth in my head between True vs useful when I was reading, so let me ask a usefulness question: If EM is useful for ordinary scientists, not Bayes worshippers, doing their daily work, what sorts of things would you expect to see them do differently?

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 May 2019
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      This, I hope:pic.twitter.com/VEgiQV9Icq

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 May 2019
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      (very drafty text and quite repetitious I’m afraid)

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    10. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 6 May 2019
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      Yes, I've read that, most of meaningness, & your STEM metablog stuff. My main takeaways, in terms of changing beliefs & doing different things, have been from your Buddhist writings, though!

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 May 2019
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      Glad the Buddhism stuff has been useful to you!! When you read the Eggplant book, the relationship between the two may become obvious, although it doesn’t discuss that at all.

      2:14 PM - 6 May 2019
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        2. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 6 May 2019
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          Oh, I think it's already obvious - nondualism and all that, right?

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          BTW, I hope I didn't sound dismissive of your work on http://meaningness.com , I just meant to say reading the Buddhism stuff helped me understand where you were coming from with the metarat stuff.

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