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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      EM = ethnomethodology? Thanks for clarifying the distinction between Lynch & Latour. I'll check out Lynch's book. Given the clarity of your other writing, I'm sure you'll succeed, if you can finish.

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      Yes, EM = ethnomethodology I wouldn't actually recommend the book. It's extremely tedious but it was important for me to make sure I understood the framework. If you are interested I can try and point you at some worked-out examples instead!

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    3. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      Examples would be great! I'm very curious about how it could reject probability & Bayesianism but still have use for science.

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      Distinction between technical rationality = ways of applying formal methods in concrete real-world situations & rationalism = metaphysical claims that some sort of rationality guarantees correctness, optimality, or some other epistemic wonderfulness

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    5. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      Yes, the -isms present all sorts of problems, don't they? Still, I wonder how prevalent the belief is that rationality guarantees correctness or optimality. My perspective may be skewed, but I see widespread understanding among scientists that truth is probabilistic.

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    6. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      So you're saying that as a practice, it works, but as a religion/metaphysics, it has to fail. You've certainly convinced me of that, but I don't know how many people take the religious stance.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      Yes, I don’t have numbers. My impression is that it’s common, and probably a substantial majority of working scientists, but I could be wrong!

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      This is a pop statement of “religious” probabilistic rationalism (if I understand it, which I’m not sure I do):https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/CPP2uLcaywEokFKQG/toolbox-thinking-and-law-thinking …

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    9. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 6 May 2019
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      Having read all the above, some thoughts: a) yes, I do find the EM jargon impenetrable. b) I think, based on my experiences as a scientist & publisher, that the "religious" form rationalism is rare enough to be discounted as a major influence on how research is done.

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      Re a), I seem to be doomed to be the first person to explain the point in plain English. I don’t know what monstrous sin I committed in a previous life to have been punished this way.

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      Re b), I think the influence of ideological rationalism is pervasive and significant, but somewhat subtle; it mainly acts to prevent people from examining implicit assumptions.

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          I think the whole NHST disaster can be largely blamed on rationalism. The assumption was that, as a quasi-religious matter, there MUST be a way to get an objective belief strength (or else objective science would be impossible), so it was reasonable to assume NHST was that.

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          We now know that NHST isn’t that, and in fact anyone who cared enough to investigate would have found this at any time since it was invented, but hardly anyone did. And I think it’s fair to blame rationalism for that. It’s straight out of the tail end of logical positivism, >

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