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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      That's fair, but sounds a little bit like a strawman to me, because I thought the belief that science produces absolute certainty to be rare, at least among scientists. Also, for what scientific endeavor is social constructivism useful?

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      Lynch’s book lays out the ethnomethodological approach to understanding science, which rejects the “social constructionist” view of e.g. Latour. He argues that Latour just did sign flips in logical positivism while retaining the conceptual framework, which was wrong.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      So here he’s saying “yeah LP was wrong because [among other things] actual certainty is impossible, but Latour’s pointing this out is hardly interesting.” The EM approach also rejects all flavors of rationalism, presumably including e.g. Bayesianism/probabilism.

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      Lynch and others suggested that (unlike “social constructivism”) EM could help scientists do science, and I think they were right. Unfortunately the field imploded for political reasons just as he wrote that book (1993), so this remains an unfulfilled promise.

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      Although I don’t claim to be doing EM, my “meta-rationality” work draws heavily on it, and its whole purpose is to be useful in practice for working scientists and engineers (NOT to be philosophy or any other academic theoretical thing). Whether I succeed remains to be seen!

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    6. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      EM = ethnomethodology? Thanks for clarifying the distinction between Lynch & Latour. I'll check out Lynch's book. Given the clarity of your other writing, I'm sure you'll succeed, if you can finish.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      Yes, EM = ethnomethodology I wouldn't actually recommend the book. It's extremely tedious but it was important for me to make sure I understood the framework. If you are interested I can try and point you at some worked-out examples instead!

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    8. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      Examples would be great! I'm very curious about how it could reject probability & Bayesianism but still have use for science.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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      Distinction between technical rationality = ways of applying formal methods in concrete real-world situations & rationalism = metaphysical claims that some sort of rationality guarantees correctness, optimality, or some other epistemic wonderfulness

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    10. mrgunn‏ @mrgunn 1 May 2019
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      Yes, the -isms present all sorts of problems, don't they? Still, I wonder how prevalent the belief is that rationality guarantees correctness or optimality. My perspective may be skewed, but I see widespread understanding among scientists that truth is probabilistic.

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      Oh, sure, absolutely; but Bayesian rationalism comes with strong metaphysical claims of optimality and correctness (certainty at the methodological level, not the object level) that cannot be sustained.

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 May 2019
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          Unfortunately there’s no good intro text for the ethnomethodology of science. A nice example of the work is this one on the first optical observation of a pulsar. However, the jargon is dense at the analytic framework is so alien to what you are used to that it may be opaque…

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          Citation here, I can’t find the original journal page off hand: http://emcawiki.net/bibtex/browser.php?key=Garfinkel1981&bib=emca.bib …

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