(re previous tweet: to be clear, I mean: multiple big paths and multiple big goals, but each path roughly leads to one specific goal and you don't try to follow multiple paths or you'd get lost or end up somewhere else entirely)
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Oh also: where does the concept of bodhisattva fit into all of this? does it have as much to do with mahayana as the chart from that wiki suggests?
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Oh also: David's chart, which puts Sutra as renunciate and Tantra as exultant (https://vividness.live/2013/10/23/sutra-vs-tantra/ …) seems (to my very new understanding) to be in contradiction to the chart from Rigpa Wiki (https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Nine_yanas …) with the "outer tantras" as ascetic. ascetic ≠ renunciate?
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @_awbery_
Yes, since the sutra-vs-tantra distinction is difficult enough for beginners, I avoid talking about all the within-tantra distinctions. The purificatory yanas are another whole different thing, although emically counted as tantra. They don’t seem useful in (post)modernity.
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I’m describing “tantra” more-or-less from the view of anuyoga (which appears on the rigpawiki chart). That corresponds roughly to “nondual tantra” in some other Tibetan systems. https://vividness.live/2012/04/28/the-power-of-an-attitude/ …pic.twitter.com/FcuSZfNVCt
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Replying to @Meaningness @_awbery_
Huh, but on the chart anuyoga is shown as #8 whereas it seems atiyoga is #9 and is the same as dzogchen. And I thought your approach was based in dzogchen...pic.twitter.com/mThbmFrV0U
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @_awbery_
Well, yes, but inasmuch as I talk about tantra, it’s with anuyoga tendencies, which makes sense since anuyoga is the yana closest to atiyoga.
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Replying to @Meaningness @_awbery_
Ahh, and in your conception, atiyoga isn't a subset of tantra? (I apparently need everything spelled out!)
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @_awbery_
There are multiple taxonomies. According to one, atiyoga is a tantric yana. According to another, Dzogchen is non-tantric and is its own thing. It’s useful to understand and apply both. (Hey… meta-systematicity!) [The Dzogchen scriptures are explicitly meta-systematic.]
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so much in this thread I wish I understood. Will have to bookmark for a future rabbit holing
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The starting point is the only one that matters, really; the rest is fussy technical detail that’s not important.https://vividness.live/2013/10/23/sutra-vs-tantra/ …
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