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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 18 Apr 2019
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      (I can send you links for my blog posts on each of the stages of that sequence of mixing Western ideas into Theravada if you are want to be bored by the historical details :)

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 18 Apr 2019
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      It's not clear how much Buddhism is left in that, if any. However, there seems to be a significant remaining renunciate flavor (left over from the Hinayana roots), which is @_awbery_ is preparing to suggest causes problems.

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    3. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 19 Apr 2019
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      Principles thing is helpful! Things I'm still confused about: - do people who successfully follow renunciate paths end up renunciate forever? is this considered correct, or an accident? - how does that relate to the idea that one might switch back & forth between sutra & trantra?

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    4. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 19 Apr 2019
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      - is the previous confusion coming from the fact that lots of people do only renunciate, & lots of people do both? (are there people who do no renunciate stuff?) - I think I had a concept of one big path & one big goal, but it sounds like... are these paths... fractal?pic.twitter.com/HEOgYBupkm

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    5. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 19 Apr 2019
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      (re previous tweet: to be clear, I mean: multiple big paths and multiple big goals, but each path roughly leads to one specific goal and you don't try to follow multiple paths or you'd get lost or end up somewhere else entirely)

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    6. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 19 Apr 2019
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      Oh also: where does the concept of bodhisattva fit into all of this? does it have as much to do with mahayana as the chart from that wiki suggests?

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    7. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 19 Apr 2019
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      Oh also: David's chart, which puts Sutra as renunciate and Tantra as exultant (https://vividness.live/2013/10/23/sutra-vs-tantra/ …) seems (to my very new understanding) to be in contradiction to the chart from Rigpa Wiki (https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Nine_yanas …) with the "outer tantras" as ascetic. ascetic ≠ renunciate?

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 Apr 2019
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      Yes, since the sutra-vs-tantra distinction is difficult enough for beginners, I avoid talking about all the within-tantra distinctions. The purificatory yanas are another whole different thing, although emically counted as tantra. They don’t seem useful in (post)modernity.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 Apr 2019
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      I’m describing “tantra” more-or-less from the view of anuyoga (which appears on the rigpawiki chart). That corresponds roughly to “nondual tantra” in some other Tibetan systems. https://vividness.live/2012/04/28/the-power-of-an-attitude/ …pic.twitter.com/FcuSZfNVCt

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    10. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 19 Apr 2019
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      Huh, but on the chart anuyoga is shown as #8 whereas it seems atiyoga is #9 and is the same as dzogchen. And I thought your approach was based in dzogchen...pic.twitter.com/mThbmFrV0U

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 Apr 2019
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      Well, yes, but inasmuch as I talk about tantra, it’s with anuyoga tendencies, which makes sense since anuyoga is the yana closest to atiyoga.

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        2. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 19 Apr 2019
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          Ahh, and in your conception, atiyoga isn't a subset of tantra? (I apparently need everything spelled out!)

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 Apr 2019
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          There are multiple taxonomies. According to one, atiyoga is a tantric yana. According to another, Dzogchen is non-tantric and is its own thing. It’s useful to understand and apply both. (Hey… meta-systematicity!) [The Dzogchen scriptures are explicitly meta-systematic.]

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