(re previous tweet: to be clear, I mean: multiple big paths and multiple big goals, but each path roughly leads to one specific goal and you don't try to follow multiple paths or you'd get lost or end up somewhere else entirely)
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Oh also: where does the concept of bodhisattva fit into all of this? does it have as much to do with mahayana as the chart from that wiki suggests?
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Oh also: David's chart, which puts Sutra as renunciate and Tantra as exultant (https://vividness.live/2013/10/23/sutra-vs-tantra/ …) seems (to my very new understanding) to be in contradiction to the chart from Rigpa Wiki (https://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Nine_yanas …) with the "outer tantras" as ascetic. ascetic ≠ renunciate?
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @_awbery_
Yes, since the sutra-vs-tantra distinction is difficult enough for beginners, I avoid talking about all the within-tantra distinctions. The purificatory yanas are another whole different thing, although emically counted as tantra. They don’t seem useful in (post)modernity.
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I’m describing “tantra” more-or-less from the view of anuyoga (which appears on the rigpawiki chart). That corresponds roughly to “nondual tantra” in some other Tibetan systems. https://vividness.live/2012/04/28/the-power-of-an-attitude/ …pic.twitter.com/FcuSZfNVCt
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Huh! Ok, so... is that why Bodhisattva "vows" don't quite make sense in tantra? Because instead of saying, "I vow to keep trying for the impossible" it's like... get on with it? (I'm reminded of Alan Watts saying, "Oh, come off it, Shiva!")
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Replying to @SarahAMcManus @Meaningness and
I guess I've maybe thought of the vows as like the parts of calculus where the dang sigmas come in, and sometimes it's a complicated-looking thing that adds up to 1. So you could go iterate stepwise through it, or get how it comes out?
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I'm sorry, I couldn't follow that metaphor?
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Hmm... just thought of that metaphor, and it may not hold up. In calculus, my eyes always glazed over when they got to series. So, this feels very fuzzy. I'm thinking of this version of the vows (image):pic.twitter.com/sPsFgfoBOt
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Yes… this version is common in American Zen centers… I’m not sure where it originates. (I don’t know much about Zen.) “Mahayana” is a big muddle, but its conceptions of enlightenment are mostly obviously impossible, so the vows are obviously silly, and this dramatizes that.
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This post goes into that in some detail: https://vividness.live/2012/05/03/your-self-is-not-a-spiritual-obstacle/ …pic.twitter.com/veCFoztI54
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