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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Plague Misha‏ @drethelin 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @drethelin @KevinSimler @Meaningness

      “Why do you spend so much time fixing bugs instead of concentrating on all the times the software works normally?”

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    2. Plague Misha‏ @drethelin 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @drethelin @KevinSimler @Meaningness

      Perhaps a better analogy: why are you worried about how the boiler behaves if it gets overpressurized? Why not just focus on how well it runs the rest of the time?

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    3. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 17 Apr 2019
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      I don't really get this analogy. As I understand David, he's saying that rationalism focuses on how to maximize EV at explicit decision points, but ignores how to deal with facets of the system that don't show up as explicit choices

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    4. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 17 Apr 2019
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      It's not [rational = bugs] vs. [metarational = working smoothly], but rather [rational = choice points] vs. [metarational = total behavior of the system]

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    5. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @KevinSimler @drethelin @Meaningness

      FWIW, the main criticism of metarationalism that resonates with me is: anything that meta-R points out can then (by virtue of being pointed out) get folded neatly into R. Rationalists absolutely care about all the things metarationalists care about! So where's the meta??

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Apr 2019
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      I’m using “rational” to mean roughly “technical” or “formal” rationality specifically, and not jus “good thinking.” (This choice of usage may cause confusion although it’s reasonably standard and I stress the specificity frequently.)

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    7. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 17 Apr 2019
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      haha yeah I'll bet this causes a lot of problems, because Eliezer strongly branded "rationality" as "good/broad/holistic thinking" over at LW. I'm constantly (mis?)reading your stuff as, "This is what meta-rationalism tries to do _as opposed to_ LW-style rationalism."

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Apr 2019
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      Well, he and others of the Berkeley Rationalist community leaders have recently said they regret choosing the word “rationality” because it does have multiple senses and so causes confusion. I’d like to find another word myself, for the same reason, but can’t find one.

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    9. Kevin Simler‏ @KevinSimler 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @drethelin

      terminology is the worst :(

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @KevinSimler @drethelin

      Long section of the book near the beginning defines all the terms (and then I repeat the definitions periodically for spaced repetition learning).

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @KevinSimler @drethelin

      This stuff really does need to be a book, because it’s profoundly unfamiliar for most people, there is a lot of detail, and the logic of it is quite intricate. That is why I am writing it as a book, not a collection of essays.

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @KevinSimler @drethelin

          But I don’t get much time to write, so I tweet random bits out of context, and some of them may be understandable, and others make no sense because there’s a lot of assumed background conceptual apparatus that I haven’t written up yet.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @KevinSimler @drethelin

          Little if any of the story is original to me, and people who have read the stuff I’m drawing on often do understand the out-of-context bits, whereas those who haven’t find them opaque.

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