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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 17 Apr 2019
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      Thanks, yes, I’m intending to do so. Those five teachers have different stances and worldviews, they are not all teaching the same thing. Interestingly it can look quite similar, because of a (somewhat) shared terminology.

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    2. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 17 Apr 2019
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      Agreed that they are quite dissimilar, but they seem similar in that I don't recognize your descriptions from them. E.g. "States of intense desire, negative emotions, bad thoughts, are undesirable" - you could read some of them as kinda saying this, but I think only kinda?

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    3. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 17 Apr 2019
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      Right, that’s the thing. That phrase “states of intense desire, negative emotions, bad thoughts, are undesirable” characterizes Sutric view - it’s fundamental to understanding how Sutric practice is supposed to work. >

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    4. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 17 Apr 2019
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      So if you teach Sutric-derived practices, with the supposed ends/results still intact, using the language of Sutra, but shift the meaning of the view to be something different, even opposite to what made sense in its generative context… >

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    5. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 17 Apr 2019
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      it’s like trying to make a lightweight sail boat work with a marine steam engine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_steam_engine …

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    6. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 17 Apr 2019
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      But there are several different things going on in different teachings and circumstances, which I will try to clarify in my posts: various sorts of contradictions that may be more or less reconcilable.

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    7. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 17 Apr 2019
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      Hopefully I will show how each kind of contradiction is workable, or not - but maybe I will prove myself wrong in the process!

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    8. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 17 Apr 2019
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      So my main issue is that I practice a synthesis of what I've gotten from those teachers and feel that it works well and has improved my life a lot. It feels hard for me to imagine that a theoretical argument would convince me it doesn't work, when my experience says it does.

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    9. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 17 Apr 2019
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      Though I guess you could convince me that I'm deluding myself or that a better approach would exist. But I feel like a natural interpretation of them is already compatible with non-sutra stuff, so if the better approach is that, then I'd say "but I already got that from them"...

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    10. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 17 Apr 2019
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      (e.g. I read Lama Yeshe's book on tantra and felt like it fit in pretty well with what the others were saying, even though it's been a while since I read it so haven't checked it against my most recent interpretation)

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Apr 2019
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      That book is excellent in many ways, but as I noted in my recommendation of it, it presents a hybrid sutra-tantra view that is, imo, ultimately incoherent and somewhat dysfunctional.https://vividness.live/2012/04/27/now-you-something-say/#introductions …

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