This is where I personally get stuck when trying to imagine a future Vajrayana. As long as those simplistic alternatives are the only available conceptions of teachers, it’s impossible.
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Replying to @Meaningness @VincentHorn
The West does have other conceptions available; the nearest one may be the doctoral advisor / PhD candidate relationship. But that’s as inconceivable for most people as a genuine guru/student relationship, and also does have many of the same failure modes.
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Yeah I remember chatting with
@hokaisobol about this in 2010. This is kind of the framing I use when working with folks now, though I never did a PhD so I’m going based on what other people tell me is a similar model of independent research supported by a mentor.1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
I have been same time a PhD student and a student of vajrayana teacher. Both are related to each other in way, but are also different in peculiar ways. Hope I could some day open up this more. (Funny detail: as in Vajrayana, also science has "transmission lineages".)
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Replying to @joogipupu @VincentHorn and
Because doing science has to be learned from another human being; there are natural chains of connection across generations. E.g. I can trace my "science lineage" at least to post WWII East-Germany, perhaps earlier but that gets blurred.
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Yes... there’s a nifty lineage tree tool for neuroscience. Here’s my sister: https://neurotree.org/neurotree/tree.php?pid=719 …
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Replying to @Meaningness @joogipupu and
Oh, wow, it’s recently expanded to all fields: https://academictree.org/about.php
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Replying to @Meaningness @joogipupu and
I should be here, but my advisor was added only last summer and his student list is incomplete https://academictree.org/robotics/tree.php?pid=757776 …
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Replying to @Meaningness @joogipupu and
Interesting tracing his lineage. His advisor was a particle physicist. Goes back through people I’ve never heard of to Fritz Haber... had no idea he was my ancestor!
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Replying to @Meaningness @joogipupu and
Who goes back to Kekulé... (now I’m going to dream about snakes)
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Who goes back to Gmelin... who goes back to both Brahe and Kepler, via one Ambrosius Rhodius... Omg, I’m descended from Kepler!
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Replying to @Meaningness @joogipupu and
Unfortunately Kepler was a great-grandstudent of Martin Luther, so I have to live with that https://academictree.org/physics/tree.php?pid=11239 …
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Tycho was a great grandstudent of Copernicus... https://academictree.org/physics/tree.php?pid=24246 …
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