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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      The main sticking point for the future of Vajrayana Buddhism, imo. Good discussion, especially from Pema Khandro Rinpoche (a white woman lama who teaches in Berkeley, CA). ♻️@VincentHornhttps://www.lionsroar.com/guru-model/ 

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Pema Khandro Rinpoche points out that there *is no* The Guru Model. (That’s a caricature born of late-70s hysteria.) Teacher-student interactions in Vajrayana are highly varied, and often quite individualized. It’s rarely if ever a “model” in the sense of a formalized system.

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    3. Vince Fakhoury Horn  👽 🎙️‏ @VincentHorn 22 Mar 2019
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      In general, I think what people have in mind with “the guru model” is some sort of centralized hub and spoke schema, where students connect to the guru in a vertical relationship supported by a centralizing hierarchy.pic.twitter.com/FLcBiP5y4y

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Mar 2019
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      Ah… then “it’s not the shape, it’s the specific power dynamics” seems the right diagnosis (or a significant part of one).

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @VincentHorn

      OTOH it seems that the rejection of “The Guru Model” is often a blanket rejection of any asymmetrical relationship. It’s usually contrasted with “The Spiritual Friend Model,” which sounds nice because friendship is a symmetrical relationship. But that model doesn’t exist either…

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Mar 2019
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      This is where I personally get stuck when trying to imagine a future Vajrayana. As long as those simplistic alternatives are the only available conceptions of teachers, it’s impossible.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 22 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @VincentHorn

      The West does have other conceptions available; the nearest one may be the doctoral advisor / PhD candidate relationship. But that’s as inconceivable for most people as a genuine guru/student relationship, and also does have many of the same failure modes.

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    8. Vince Fakhoury Horn  👽 🎙️‏ @VincentHorn 22 Mar 2019
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      Yeah I remember chatting with @hokaisobol about this in 2010. This is kind of the framing I use when working with folks now, though I never did a PhD so I’m going based on what other people tell me is a similar model of independent research supported by a mentor.

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    9. Joogipupu‏ @joogipupu 23 Mar 2019
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      I have been same time a PhD student and a student of vajrayana teacher. Both are related to each other in way, but are also different in peculiar ways. Hope I could some day open up this more. (Funny detail: as in Vajrayana, also science has "transmission lineages".)

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    10. Joogipupu‏ @joogipupu 23 Mar 2019
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      Because doing science has to be learned from another human being; there are natural chains of connection across generations. E.g. I can trace my "science lineage" at least to post WWII East-Germany, perhaps earlier but that gets blurred.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 23 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @joogipupu @VincentHorn @hokaisobol

      Yes... there’s a nifty lineage tree tool for neuroscience. Here’s my sister: https://neurotree.org/neurotree/tree.php?pid=719 …

      9:27 AM - 23 Mar 2019
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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 23 Mar 2019
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          Oh, wow, it’s recently expanded to all fields: https://academictree.org/about.php 

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 23 Mar 2019
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          I should be here, but my advisor was added only last summer and his student list is incomplete https://academictree.org/robotics/tree.php?pid=757776 …

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