I feel like we got a little sidetracked from what was my original point - it wasn't really about LW rationalists as such, but rather about the broader orange/green/yellow divide (which affects discussions on LW among other places). Let me try to rephrase -
I’m not a spiral dynamics expert, and don’t really buy the framework, but my understanding is that according to it green and orange actually do contradict. Yellow is not just combining them, or accepting both; you can’t do that.
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Yellow “transcends and includes” both orange and green. The “transcends” means a qualitative transformation based on explicitly understanding the internal logic of the others, seeing both their strengths and failure modes, and constructing something different from both.
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In Kegan’s framework, the “holding environment” has to both push you out of your current stage and draw you into the next. He uses the words “challenge” and “contradict” for the pushing. The environment has to say “no, this is not adequate any more,” which isn’t easy to hear.
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