The main sticking point for the future of Vajrayana Buddhism, imo. Good discussion, especially from Pema Khandro Rinpoche (a white woman lama who teaches in Berkeley, CA). 
@VincentHornhttps://www.lionsroar.com/guru-model/
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@hokaisobol about this in 2010. This is kind of the framing I use when working with folks now, though I never did a PhD so I’m going based on what other people tell me is a similar model of independent research supported by a mentor. -
I have been same time a PhD student and a student of vajrayana teacher. Both are related to each other in way, but are also different in peculiar ways. Hope I could some day open up this more. (Funny detail: as in Vajrayana, also science has "transmission lineages".)
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In your view, the teacher is trying to get the student to think "as a noble" or in the "complete stance", right?
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Well, different teachers are trying to do different things, of course. And, yes, “nobility” and “the complete stance” are ways I try to point to fruition in my eccentric and incomplete re-presentation of Vajrayana.
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Jeff Kripal, my doctoral advisor, once asked me if I was projecting my feelings (mostly negative) about gurus onto him. There is a lot of transference and projection that goes on though in both models.
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