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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @everytstudies @drossbucket @xuenay

      (Not sure I’m understanding your question, but:) The stages model is a claim of an invariant sequence: you can’t do n+1 until you’ve done n. It doesn’t (in itself) address individual differences wrt difficulty of stages.

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    2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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      No what I mean is that I, and apparently many others, don't exactly have the experience of mastering 3 and then going towards 4. 3 seems pretty alien to me, and 2-4 feels more true. That suggests a problem with the model or that I'm not understanding it.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      It’s possible to misunderstand 3 as “social skills”; one of the points of The Cofounders was that 4 and 5 are *also* about social skills, potentially at much more sophisticated levels.

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      You don’t have to master social skills to be at 3. The criterion is that you can (and frequently do) subordinate your immediate personal desires to the maintenance of a relationship. You are often willing to go to the restaurant your friends chose instead of the one you’d prefer.

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    5. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket @xuenay

      I guess it doesn't feel like you're doing this if you're not doing it consciously and therefore don't remember it. I was an only child raised by a single mother that didn't get fully accustomed to close relationships until much later ->

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @everytstudies @drossbucket @xuenay

      I’m an aspie weirdo, and what you say resonates for me to an extent. It seems to be fairly common for the sorts of people who go on to be outstanding in STEMish stuff.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      The stage model could hold as a statistical generalization while admitting exceptions. I think it probably does. OTOH, it’s hard to sort out how good the evidence for the stage model is, as I said at the end of The Cofounders. I’m not committed to it as a scientific theory.

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    8. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket @xuenay

      Yeah, it's just that it really does seem to assume that one stage requires mastering the former fully. I'm not sure how gracefully it blurs.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @everytstudies @drossbucket @xuenay

      Hmm. Which “it” is this? Stuff I wrote? (In which case I’d want to correct/clarify!) Stuff Kegan wrote? Other people?

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    10. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket @xuenay

      Not sure exactly where I saw it but isn't it a central idea that the subject of state N becomes the object of state N+1? (The self, the relationship, the system etc.) That seems to imply there are necessary rules to the progression.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @everytstudies @drossbucket @xuenay

      That seems only to require basic understanding, not mastery?

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        2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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          Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket @xuenay

          You think? Interesting, I wouldn't have thought that.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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          Replying to @everytstudies @drossbucket @xuenay

          Well… I am not an expert on the literature, but that’s my understanding. I don’t recall reading anything that says mastery is required.

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