Yes, in some ways the “stages” presentation is misleading, and I seriously considered dropping it in the Cofounders piece. I emphasized gradualness there.
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But, there IS a sharp bend in the river. The vector from 4 to 5 is points in a completely different direction from the vector from 3 to 4 (and both of those are reasonably straight once you are heading in the right direction).
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I think some have commented that 4 comes much easier and more natural than 3 for some people (me included), which I also think complicates things. Any thoughts on that?
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Dispositional differences? Innate differences in cognition? Different life experiences? Stanovich's decoupling stuff seems highly relevant. Does that literature talk about factors that influence whether people decouple?
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No I mean in the context of the stages model (I can make sense of it generally).
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(Not sure I’m understanding your question, but:) The stages model is a claim of an invariant sequence: you can’t do n+1 until you’ve done n. It doesn’t (in itself) address individual differences wrt difficulty of stages.
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No what I mean is that I, and apparently many others, don't exactly have the experience of mastering 3 and then going towards 4. 3 seems pretty alien to me, and 2-4 feels more true. That suggests a problem with the model or that I'm not understanding it.
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It’s possible to misunderstand 3 as “social skills”; one of the points of The Cofounders was that 4 and 5 are *also* about social skills, potentially at much more sophisticated levels.
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You don’t have to master social skills to be at 3. The criterion is that you can (and frequently do) subordinate your immediate personal desires to the maintenance of a relationship. You are often willing to go to the restaurant your friends chose instead of the one you’d prefer.
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I guess it doesn't feel like you're doing this if you're not doing it consciously and therefore don't remember it. I was an only child raised by a single mother that didn't get fully accustomed to close relationships until much later ->
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I’m an aspie weirdo, and what you say resonates for me to an extent. It seems to be fairly common for the sorts of people who go on to be outstanding in STEMish stuff.
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The stage model could hold as a statistical generalization while admitting exceptions. I think it probably does. OTOH, it’s hard to sort out how good the evidence for the stage model is, as I said at the end of The Cofounders. I’m not committed to it as a scientific theory.
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