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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket 21 Mar 2019
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      Got to go to work, but... I like the river analogy here: https://vividness.live/2015/10/12/developing-ethical-social-and-cognitive-competence/#comment-7352 … Overall continuous process but in sections the way forward is counterintuitive so people pile up. A sharp distinction doesn't make sense to me either, but something like this does.pic.twitter.com/xS7TtuVWlA

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Yes, in some ways the “stages” presentation is misleading, and I seriously considered dropping it in the Cofounders piece. I emphasized gradualness there.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      But, there IS a sharp bend in the river. The vector from 4 to 5 is points in a completely different direction from the vector from 3 to 4 (and both of those are reasonably straight once you are heading in the right direction).

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    4. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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      I think some have commented that 4 comes much easier and more natural than 3 for some people (me included), which I also think complicates things. Any thoughts on that?

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @everytstudies @drossbucket @xuenay

      Dispositional differences? Innate differences in cognition? Different life experiences? Stanovich's decoupling stuff seems highly relevant. Does that literature talk about factors that influence whether people decouple?

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    6. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket @xuenay

      No I mean in the context of the stages model (I can make sense of it generally).

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      (Not sure I’m understanding your question, but:) The stages model is a claim of an invariant sequence: you can’t do n+1 until you’ve done n. It doesn’t (in itself) address individual differences wrt difficulty of stages.

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    8. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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      No what I mean is that I, and apparently many others, don't exactly have the experience of mastering 3 and then going towards 4. 3 seems pretty alien to me, and 2-4 feels more true. That suggests a problem with the model or that I'm not understanding it.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      It’s possible to misunderstand 3 as “social skills”; one of the points of The Cofounders was that 4 and 5 are *also* about social skills, potentially at much more sophisticated levels.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      You don’t have to master social skills to be at 3. The criterion is that you can (and frequently do) subordinate your immediate personal desires to the maintenance of a relationship. You are often willing to go to the restaurant your friends chose instead of the one you’d prefer.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      And you do this because you value the relationship, and care about your friends, rather than as part of some self-interested scheme.

      10:52 AM - 21 Mar 2019
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