I suspect that that orange/green/yellow thing hints at an answer: deconversion narratives talk about how you discovered that X is totally false. But moving on to yellow doesn't feel like totally renouncing orange; it feels like building a more sophisticated version of it.
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Replying to @xuenay @Meaningness
Going from a child to an adult doesn't feel like renouncing the understanding of the world that you had as a child, even if much of your old understanding was wrong. It just feels like your understanding gradually getting better.
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Replying to @xuenay @Meaningness
(this is why I also dislike the whole rationality vs. meta-rationality terminology: it's creating an artificial distinction and a tribal narrative, when IMO there's just a continuous refinement and increasing sophistication of the art of rationality)
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Replying to @xuenay @Meaningness
Got to go to work, but... I like the river analogy here: https://vividness.live/2015/10/12/developing-ethical-social-and-cognitive-competence/#comment-7352 … Overall continuous process but in sections the way forward is counterintuitive so people pile up. A sharp distinction doesn't make sense to me either, but something like this does.pic.twitter.com/xS7TtuVWlA
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Replying to @drossbucket @xuenay
Yes, in some ways the “stages” presentation is misleading, and I seriously considered dropping it in the Cofounders piece. I emphasized gradualness there.
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But, there IS a sharp bend in the river. The vector from 4 to 5 is points in a completely different direction from the vector from 3 to 4 (and both of those are reasonably straight once you are heading in the right direction).
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I think some have commented that 4 comes much easier and more natural than 3 for some people (me included), which I also think complicates things. Any thoughts on that?
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Dispositional differences? Innate differences in cognition? Different life experiences? Stanovich's decoupling stuff seems highly relevant. Does that literature talk about factors that influence whether people decouple?
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No I mean in the context of the stages model (I can make sense of it generally).
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(Not sure I’m understanding your question, but:) The stages model is a claim of an invariant sequence: you can’t do n+1 until you’ve done n. It doesn’t (in itself) address individual differences wrt difficulty of stages.
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There *is* a pretty big literature on that, though (i.e. factors that make it more or less likely someone will progress through the stages). I find it tedious & it doesn’t look like good science to me, so I haven’t read a lot, but I can point you at review articles if interested
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