...and which we do not. We can disagree about those choices without disagreeing about concrete facts or moral values. I think many complex disagreements are of this kind.
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When I read constructivist scholars on science I resisted their points because they felt like attacks. Part of that was my own preconceptions but I also think there was genuine hostility towards science from some of them — or at least towards some perceptions of science. ->
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There's great value to (a steelman of) their perspective that I'm better at appreciating now — social factors does matter for how the body of ideas considered scientific develops. But it would be way easier to absorb that lession from people who didn't come off as hostile.
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I should have been clearer about the logical positivists. They did think ordinary language didn't have objective meaning but thought it was possible to create language that did. They couldn't and postmodernism lies partly in the wake of that failure. ->
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Good question. I've absorbed it piecemeal through many secondary sources and I can't necessarily point to one. Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations was important in the middle though.
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Maybe the reason no one has ever written a good unified discussion of this is that there wasn't a conclusive event. Logical positivism just kept failing over and over in different ways, and eventually everyone got discouraged and then forgot about it.
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_Philosophical Investigations_, Quine's _Two Dogmas of Empiricism_, and Kuhn's _Structure_ are often cited as "the end," but I think it was already effectively over before those. Everyone had de facto given up, so at most it just needed a small final push to fall over.
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Those were more like retrospective diagnoses of how and why it failed. But none of them was fully accurate, imo. It seems to have taken another half-century to get clear on it, and no one has written up a detailed contemporary understanding. Afaik.
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It seems hard to separate "how and why it failed" from one what thinks should be done afterwards/instead. I would guess that the lack of consensus around the latter impedes a coherent summary of the former.
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Yes, I think that's right. There hasn't been an articulated positive alternative. The Eggplant tries to do that. (Not that I'm inventing something, just pointing out current trends in understanding at the cutting edge of several fields.)
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