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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 19 Mar 2019
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      If we were perfect angels we would be more likely to be confused than angry because since we aren't, we wrongly assume we understand the context when we sense hostility in an ambiguous idea, and automatically interpret it uncharitably.

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    2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 19 Mar 2019
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      We form mental models of reality through abstraction and generalization that are much, much smaller (in terms of bits of info) than reality itself. That means lossy compression, and that means choices about what aspects of the territory we choose to represent in high fidelity ->

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    3. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 19 Mar 2019
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      ...and which we do not. We can disagree about those choices without disagreeing about concrete facts or moral values. I think many complex disagreements are of this kind.

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    4. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 19 Mar 2019
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      When I read constructivist scholars on science I resisted their points because they felt like attacks. Part of that was my own preconceptions but I also think there was genuine hostility towards science from some of them — or at least towards some perceptions of science. ->

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    5. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 19 Mar 2019
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      There's great value to (a steelman of) their perspective that I'm better at appreciating now — social factors does matter for how the body of ideas considered scientific develops. But it would be way easier to absorb that lession from people who didn't come off as hostile.

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    6. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 19 Mar 2019
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      I should have been clearer about the logical positivists. They did think ordinary language didn't have objective meaning but thought it was possible to create language that did. They couldn't and postmodernism lies partly in the wake of that failure. ->

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    7. Robert Mariani‏ @robert_mariani 20 Mar 2019
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      recommended reading on this?

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    8. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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      Good question. I've absorbed it piecemeal through many secondary sources and I can't necessarily point to one. Wittgenstein's Philosophical Investigations was important in the middle though.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Maybe the reason no one has ever written a good unified discussion of this is that there wasn't a conclusive event. Logical positivism just kept failing over and over in different ways, and eventually everyone got discouraged and then forgot about it.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      _Philosophical Investigations_, Quine's _Two Dogmas of Empiricism_, and Kuhn's _Structure_ are often cited as "the end," but I think it was already effectively over before those. Everyone had de facto given up, so at most it just needed a small final push to fall over.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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      Those were more like retrospective diagnoses of how and why it failed. But none of them was fully accurate, imo. It seems to have taken another half-century to get clear on it, and no one has written up a detailed contemporary understanding. Afaik.

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        1. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 21 Mar 2019
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          Time to get on it, then. 😏

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        2. Stephen Pimentel‏ @StephenPiment 21 Mar 2019
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          It seems hard to separate "how and why it failed" from one what thinks should be done afterwards/instead. I would guess that the lack of consensus around the latter impedes a coherent summary of the former.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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          Yes, I think that's right. There hasn't been an articulated positive alternative. The Eggplant tries to do that. (Not that I'm inventing something, just pointing out current trends in understanding at the cutting edge of several fields.)

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