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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 20 Mar 2019
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      This event profoundly shaped our world, but it has never been explained clearly, afaik. My eggplant book tries; but only relatively briefly (~50 pages) because it’s just background to my actual topics. Wish I could recommend a good source instead.https://twitter.com/everytstudies/status/1108008134839320579 …

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      John Nerst @everytstudies
      I should have been clearer about the logical positivists. They did think ordinary language didn't have objective meaning but thought it was possible to create language that did. They couldn't and postmodernism lies partly in the wake of that failure. ->
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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 20 Mar 2019
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      Most ideologies spawn “deconversion narratives,” from believers who realized the ism was false and left. Why are there so few rationalist deconversion narratives? Maybe postrational nihilism is so dreary that almost no one has the energy for it. Mine: https://meaningness.com/metablog/ken-wilber-boomeritis-artificial-intelligence …pic.twitter.com/X0X41jHoCG

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 20 Mar 2019
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          Three years ago, I complained that writing up exactly what’s wrong with rationalism would be a drag, though a necessary public service. That part of The Eggplant is complete. Until I explain the better alternative, it’s worse than useless though. https://meaningness.com/metablog/ken-wilber-boomeritis-artificial-intelligence …pic.twitter.com/fsLt5DumBA

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 20 Mar 2019
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          Table of contents from the part of the Eggplant book explaining why rationalism can’t work. As you can see, I was only able to complete it by including a lot of whimsical examples to amuse myself.pic.twitter.com/4Wq20swOJK

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        2. Venkatesh brrrRao‏ @vgr 20 Mar 2019
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          It’s not really a full-blown ideology for most adherents. More an instrumental cargo cult, like going to church to make friends or find dates. I don’t know any true hardcore ideologues who left the fold.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 20 Mar 2019
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          Yes, that seems mostly true. But, I was a hardcore (if slightly atypical) rationalist before I deconverted.

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        2. Maynard Handley‏ @handleym99 21 Mar 2019
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          I expect Scott will write such a narrative at some point. He seems to be sticking with the LessWrong crowd these days more for social reasons. Certainly a lot of his writing now feels like exploring issues post-rationality with just a thin veneer of "Eliezer approved" language.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 21 Mar 2019
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          Yes, that's been very interesting to watch. More broadly, several others of the leaders of the Berkeley/LW rationalist community have moved beyond rationalism, and have explicitly said they wish they hadn't chosen "rationalism" as the name for their thing.

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        2. Nathan Spears‏ @spearofsolomon 21 Mar 2019
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          Take an opposing extreme: someone who sees prayer and faith as the best ways to interact with reality. Imo, the most effective deconversion narrative is using rationality to show them the inconsistencies within their own behavior and worldview. /

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        3. Nathan Spears‏ @spearofsolomon 21 Mar 2019
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          Then they can begin to see their frame breaking and a view into a larger conceptual world. But with rationalists, you have to go the other direction. So, do you use rationality to show them the limits of rationality? Do you use prayer and faith to help break the frame? /

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        2. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ 21 Mar 2019
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          Unlike many deconversions, few leave rationalism by total rejection, more by inclusion of other narratives that gradually reposition their rationalism. Maybe there are few narratives because it’s positive news & doesn’t make for a good headline?

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        3. Weston Edwards‏ @alifeofmovement 22 Mar 2019
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          I see a lot of unstable rejections that can easily last year's... Not a direct rejection per se as much as using narrative/metaphysics/weird belief constructions in areas that are completely unnecessary... I think a lot of this is because there are no adults in the room.

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