This event profoundly shaped our world, but it has never been explained clearly, afaik. My eggplant book tries; but only relatively briefly (~50 pages) because it’s just background to my actual topics. Wish I could recommend a good source instead.https://twitter.com/everytstudies/status/1108008134839320579 …
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Three years ago, I complained that writing up exactly what’s wrong with rationalism would be a drag, though a necessary public service. That part of The Eggplant is complete. Until I explain the better alternative, it’s worse than useless though. https://meaningness.com/metablog/ken-wilber-boomeritis-artificial-intelligence …pic.twitter.com/fsLt5DumBA
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Table of contents from the part of the Eggplant book explaining why rationalism can’t work. As you can see, I was only able to complete it by including a lot of whimsical examples to amuse myself.pic.twitter.com/4Wq20swOJK
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It’s not really a full-blown ideology for most adherents. More an instrumental cargo cult, like going to church to make friends or find dates. I don’t know any true hardcore ideologues who left the fold.
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Yes, that seems mostly true. But, I was a hardcore (if slightly atypical) rationalist before I deconverted.
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I expect Scott will write such a narrative at some point. He seems to be sticking with the LessWrong crowd these days more for social reasons. Certainly a lot of his writing now feels like exploring issues post-rationality with just a thin veneer of "Eliezer approved" language.
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Yes, that's been very interesting to watch. More broadly, several others of the leaders of the Berkeley/LW rationalist community have moved beyond rationalism, and have explicitly said they wish they hadn't chosen "rationalism" as the name for their thing.
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Take an opposing extreme: someone who sees prayer and faith as the best ways to interact with reality. Imo, the most effective deconversion narrative is using rationality to show them the inconsistencies within their own behavior and worldview. /
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Then they can begin to see their frame breaking and a view into a larger conceptual world. But with rationalists, you have to go the other direction. So, do you use rationality to show them the limits of rationality? Do you use prayer and faith to help break the frame? /
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Unlike many deconversions, few leave rationalism by total rejection, more by inclusion of other narratives that gradually reposition their rationalism. Maybe there are few narratives because it’s positive news & doesn’t make for a good headline?
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I see a lot of unstable rejections that can easily last year's... Not a direct rejection per se as much as using narrative/metaphysics/weird belief constructions in areas that are completely unnecessary... I think a lot of this is because there are no adults in the room.
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