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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto 23 Feb 2019
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      In our time we also have failed institutions and little hope of reforming them from within. We don't seem to have a strategy as effective as the repression norms though.

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    2. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 23 Feb 2019
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      Not denying the new failure modes, but all organizations are always failing, and never reform themselves without social encouragement. Even eg. journalism and higher ed are still doing a lot of the right stuff, just at a high social cost.

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    3. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 23 Feb 2019
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      Heck, even the federal govt is keeping us supplied with bread and circuses. Prob most Americans feel legislative gridlock is a problem, but failure to push thru symbolic legislation is prob the best outcome when nobody agrees on what to do.

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    4. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto 23 Feb 2019
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      failure to push through effective non-symbolic legislation seems like the bigger problem but that's a tangent to this discussion, which is about the excesses of extremists in the culture war. where do norms come from and how they are enforced? where do replacements originate?

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    5. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 23 Feb 2019
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      First you have to have some consensus that this is indeed excessive. I wonder if the ppl doing the real world actions (threatening calls, etc.) are telling ppl they did, and getting praised? I'd like to know.

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    6. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 23 Feb 2019
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      Are ppl personally telling them they did good? Not just the knowing it happened (anonymous) and saying "yes, punch Nazis" on Twitter. In antifa this is a thing, but niche AFAICT.

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    7. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 23 Feb 2019
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      Thing is, there's a lot of kayfabe going around, or to coin a dubious concept, unconscious kayfabe. Now, talking favorably about civil war is an important step toward one, but there is a lot of verbal violence which is IMO figurative, performative.

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    8. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 23 Feb 2019
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      I don't mean that ppl are consciously not serious, or consciously angling for ingroup status. It's just that all these ppl are saying this shit, and it's getting rewarded. So, a no-brainer to follow the model.

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    9. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 23 Feb 2019
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      In that sense, it's very dangerous, b/c hard to rein in ppl who actually do what you are advocating, and risk of losing face if you back down, making collective return to sanity difficult.

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    10. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 23 Feb 2019
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      Just realized this ties back to whether gpt-2 is at all human level. It imitates what ppl say on the internet, without knowing what it is talking about. Well, humans do that too, imitate speech without grounding in the world of actions nominally under discussion.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 23 Feb 2019
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      ... which is why it’s easy to write a political spam generator.

      2:17 PM - 23 Feb 2019
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